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Just a quick reminder about America and climate change.

Since the Industrial Revolution, America is the largest climate polluter by a significant amount.

China's recent growth in emissions is exacerbated by American hyperconsumerism.

America didn't participate in COP30 this year.

America is the birthplace of climate denial.
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ron122 · 41-45, M
The great climate hoax was just a way for a few people to get very rich. And you people fell for all the lies.
swirlie · 31-35
@ron122
How do you know the climate issue was all lies, ron?
JPWhoo · 36-40, M
@ron122 And what do you think the fossil fuel industry is? A way for a few people to get very rich. Except they do it by polluting our air.
ron122 · 41-45, M
@swirlie How do you know it's not all lies?
swirlie · 31-35
@ron122
Because I can see the evidence of climate change in the world around me.

Why do you think climate issues are all lies then?
ron122 · 41-45, M
@swirlie Sure you do.🙄
dale74 · M
@JPWhoo do you live your life without fossil fuels and their byproducts? I doubt it. Do you wear glasses made of glass and metal frames. Do you drink out of only glass or metal cups this includes eating out. Do you take leftovers home. Do you drive a car. Do you ride something with plastic or rubber wheels. Do you watch tv with all the plastic housing. Even batteries for solar and wind are stored in plastic.
swirlie · 31-35
@ron122
You're continually avoiding my question, ron.

Why do you think the climate issue is a hoax and all lies?
swirlie · 31-35
@JPWhoo
And what do you think the fossil fuel industry is? A way for a few people to get very rich. Except they do it by polluting our air.

Would it be safe for me to assume that you voted for Trump at least once?
ron122 · 41-45, M
@swirlie Why don't you tell us all what evidence of climate change you have?
JPWhoo · 36-40, M
@swirlie Uh, no. Why would you think that?
JPWhoo · 36-40, M
@dale74 No, I don’t. But just because I use things powered by fossil fuels doesn’t mean I can’t want us to transition to cleaner energy asap.
swirlie · 31-35
@ron122
Why don't you answer my question, ron? You've dodged that bullet about 3 times now.
G7J2O · M
@ron122
the great climate hoax was just a way for a few people to get very rich
Who are these few people?

Has no one got rich through fossil fuels?
G7J2O · M
@ron122 OK.

Global thermometers and satellites show Earth is ~1.2°C hotter than 1880.

Arctic summer sea ice has shrunk ~40% since 1979.

Greenland and Antarctica lose hundreds of billions of tons of ice yearly.

Sea level is 20+ cm higher than in 1900, measured by gauges and satellites.

Oceans have absorbed record heat, measured to 2000 meters depth.

Heatwaves are now longer and more frequent than early 1900s records.

Glaciers everywhere are retreating; some are gone.

Atmospheric CO₂ exceeds 420 ppm, unmatched in 800,000 years.

Oceans are 30% more acidic than pre-industrial measurements.

Extreme rainfall and drought events are objectively more frequent and severe.
ron122 · 41-45, M
@swirlie Why don't you answer my question? You've dodged that bullet about 3 times now.
swirlie · 31-35
@ron122
How do you know the climate issue was all lies, ron?

Go back to that right-wing conspiracy website you like to hang out in ron because maybe they provide answers to frequently asked questions, then get back to me with what they tell you the answer is.
ron122 · 41-45, M
@G7J2O Changes like the ones you've listed have been happening since before humans arrived.
G7J2O · M
@ron122 But

Climate has never changed this fast without humans.

CO₂ has never jumped from 280 to 420+ ppm this quickly in Earth’s history.

The current warming is 10–100 times faster than natural warming after ice ages.

The CO₂ rising now has the chemical fingerprint of burned fossil fuels, not nature.

Satellites show Earth is warming exactly where extra CO₂ traps heat.

The Sun and volcanoes are not causing this, and the data proves it.

If this were natural, the upper atmosphere would warm too, but it’s cooling, which only happens from greenhouse gases.

The oceans are acidifying far faster than during any natural change in millions of years.

Climate models with only natural factors show no warming, but models with human pollution match reality.

Earth has never warmed this much in just a century without a giant external trigger. And the only trigger now is us.

Sorry
ron122 · 41-45, M
@swirlie You still think you are something special, don't you? Good luck with that. Me making a comment about how I feel about the climate hoax doesn't mean I owe you anything. Go blow your smoke somewhere else.
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swirlie · 31-35
@ron122
I'm glad you think I'm something special, ron!

I feel all warm and fuzzy inside now!

Thanks for making my day! 🥰
ron122 · 41-45, M
@swirlie Sure dude.
G7J2O · M
@ron122 Game, set and match to me :) Sorry it scares you. It scares me too, but I don't cry and stick my fingers in my ears like a 5-year-old.
swirlie · 31-35
@ron122
Thanks ron, you are my hero! 🤩