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Ford loses $5.5 billion on EVs in 2025, blames “pesky” customers . . .



Photo above - During World War 2 cars and trucks were modified to run on coal, as an alternative fuel.

The docents and dowagers named Ford must be turning over in their graves right now. Ford Motor Company's CEO – Jim Farley - is presiding over a 50% drop in stock price. From $27 in 2022, when he ascended to the corner office, to $12 today. Ford’s 1 year future “target price” as estimated by Wall Street pro's is a further decline to $11.

How could this happen?

Mr. Farley blames “pesky” customers for not flocking to his $100,000 Ford F150 Lightning pickups (platinum trim). If $100K sounds insane, you can get a less heroic trim EV F150 for only $75,000. See link below. Okay, I can see a couple of problems here, Mr. Farley.

First, somebody in accounting may have told you that EV tax rebates continue forever and would rise from $7,500 to $12,000. As long as the assembly line churning them out was staffed by UAW members. Various people in DC were talking this up, as if they could just print money endlessly.

Second, somebody in Ford's sales department may have misplaced a digit, and overestimated the market size for $100,000 pickups. Electric vehicles are a thing with coastal elites. Those locations have the charging infrastructure. Farmers in Kansas? Not so much. If a farmer runs short on electrons, it could be a long way back to barn to plug in.

So Ford is pivoting to hybrids, a decade after Honda and Toyota figured out this was the answer to range anxiety. Apparently, all new Ford, GM and Ram pickups will be hybrids. It’s not certain if they will still be “flex fuel”, and able to run on 85% ethanol. This was one of the byproducts of the 1992 Energy Policy Act. Almost immediately refineries began churning out more than 1 billion gallons of ethanol a year, as a consequence of government handouts to corn farmers. Even though there are actually almost zero filling stations where you can get E85. E85 capability became a feature, not a bug. on new pickup truck window stickers.

As usual, I’m dissatisfied. I don’t want to throw tax money at farmers to produce ethanol instead of food for my dinner table. I don’t want perpetual tax incentives on $100,000 electric pickup trucks simply because someone covets UAW votes. I don’t want to wake up tomorrow and read that someone else has patented a pickup truck that runs on coal, and there’s a tax incentive on THAT now . . .

Mr. Farley, you’re not the first CEO to get bamboozled by congress, your accountants, and your sales department. But Ford stock HAS declined 50% over the past couple of years. And you're almost 65 years old. Maybe this would be a good time to start retirement planning?

I’m just sayin’ . . .



Ford CEO Admits EV Market Will Be 'Way Smaller' Than Originally Thought

Ford's EV challenges continue: $5.5 billion loss expected in 2025
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joe438 · 61-69, M Best Comment
EVs using the current battery technology are simply not practical or cost effective for most people. I’m sorry Ford doesn’t see that.

We have to evolve the battery technology before they’ll stop sucking, and we can learn from the experienced of those the current cars work for. Paying more for a car than some of us had paid for a house is just nuts.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@joe438 i've marked this as "best comment".

for at least 10 years we've been beguiled and faked out by claims that "gen 2/solid state" EV batteries (which don't explode or catch fire) are about to happen.

i don't believe there is a single car for sale with a solid state battery today.

can some consumer protection agency start fining these corporations and research labs for lying?
joe438 · 61-69, M
@SusanInFlorida thank you Susan. The tech will come only as fast as engineers and scientists can invent it. Then the car companies have to figure out how to offer it in a practical and cost effective way.

In the meantime we’re creating landfill for the junkyards. What’s the oldest vintage EV anyone has seen? I don’t even see many early Prius hybrids around. And the Prius was a practical, very solid solution.

FoxyQueen · 51-55, F
I laugh because this was so foreseeable and it wasn't because people don't want EV cars. Look at how many Teslas are driving around metro areas.

But sure. Let's blame the consumer when the current administration completely changed the direction of the EV plan as it was starting. I'm sure most people will believe and accept the blame.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@FoxyQueenwe could already be driving NEV's (neighborhood electric vehicles) which are simply 25 mph golf carts with a weather enclosure for the passengers. $5,000 to $10,000, depending on how much pinstriping, leather, and mag wheel upgrades you want.

state transportation departments were persuaded to outlaw NEVs by detroit and advocates of tesla-like vehicles.

at my grocery store regular bicycles have disappeared. replaced by $1,000 electric bikes which go 20 mph and have fake pedals for appearance.
badminton · 61-69, MVIP
I'd rather travel by train, bus, boat or bicycle. Too many cars in America.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@badminton bicycles only make sense if you are a peasant in china, or a shudra in india.
badminton · 61-69, MVIP
@SusanInFlorida Bicycles work fine for inside 10 miles. Bikes aren't practical for all situations, but bikes can replace cars for thousands of daily trips for millions of people.
GerOttman · 70-79, M
Hmmm... I might take some of that action!

SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@GerOttman i have an alert set on Merrill Edge account. When "F" hits its 52 week low. It's not an automatic buy. Just an alert.
GerOttman · 70-79, M
@SusanInFlorida chart don't lie, I call it the boner chart! (guy thing obvs) nice stiff rise, milk it till it goes limp so to speak...
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
When they start selling electricity by the gallon I will buy one
exchrist · 36-40
Yet another dinosaur ceo politician or businessman overdue for retirement. As noted, I’m just saying; retirement is at age 65. Perhaps for a reason?!
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SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@exchrist constitutional amendments are justified.

1 - congressional term limits
2 - mandatory retirement ages for SCOTUS judges, congress, presidents
3 - open records/transparency laws regarding tax filings going back at least 10 years.
exchrist · 36-40
@SusanInFlorida they are justified but such amendments ever passing the congress federally when those would limit politicians maintaining power using those same strategies is unlikely. Maybe individual states?
1 and 2 are most important then the third is hopefully a shoe in!
Great ideas
wetncthru · F
Skip EV's + wait for hydrogen.
joe438 · 61-69, M
@wetncthru hopefully they can use roadside waste as a fuel source.
wetncthru · F
@wetncthru Yep, I am weird!
wetncthru · F
@joe438 You could have just discovered perpetual motion!
newstu · M
the answer to everything... Grow more corn!
Fortunately I’ve never owned Ford stock.

 
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