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US farmers lose $47 billion soybean market overnight. Maybe tariffs aren’t the answer to everything?



Let’s get caught up to speed, for the benefit of everyone still obsessing over Epstein and Charlie Kirk:

Trump (to planet): “You’re all going to pay huge tariffs on everything. I will change the amounts daily. Bwaaaah!!!”

China (to US): “Please cancel our US soybean purchases for 2025. We’ll let you know later about 2026”

Farmers (to Trump): “We need a $47 billion bailout because now China is buying all its soybeans from Argentina”

Trump: “I’m going to bail out Argentina’s economy. Make Argentina Great Again. And here’s a new tariff on kitchen cabinets, in case anyone was thinking of remodeling.”

The silver lining: at least no talking heads will appear on CNN and PBS wringing their hands over soybean inflation in America’s supermarkets. Stop laughing - all of this is true. See link at bottom.

If you had asked me to guess the value of the annual US soybean crop, I’d have said anywhere from $1 billion to $1 trillion. If you asked me how much of America’s farmland is devoted to soybeans, I’d have been equally helpless. Turns out it’s 85 million acres, equal to the combined land mass of New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine, and Delaware. See second link at bottom.

That is a LOT of farmland devoted just to grow soybeans. What does China do with all of these beans? If you said “tofu” (curdled soy milk, congealed to impersonate cheese) you’d be wrong. China mostly feeds our soybeans to their pigs. Which in turn become pork egg rolls, sweet and sour spareribs, and possibly bacon.

I’m okay with this, if it keeps China from harvesting wild bats and selling them alive in “wet markets”, which THEN ends up infecting half the world with the Covid 19 virus. If that’s the way it actually happened, and the pandemic WASN’T a leak from their Wuhan military experimental virus lab . . .

Let’s cut to the chase. I wish no misfortune on America’s farmers. But those 85 million acres are probably put to better use feeding America, rather than fattening pigs to feed a global adversary which is constantly hacking America’s airports and banks, threatening to invade Taiwan, and torturing it’s Nobel peace prize winners in prison.

Can we have a conversation about putting America first (not China or Argentina) and keeping our own people fed and housed?

I’m just sayin’ . . .



‘The frustration is overwhelming’: Soybean farmers feel betrayed as Argentina blows a hole in rural America’s $47 billion soybean bonanza

Why Soybeans Have Become The Second Largest Crop In The U.S.
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FoxyQueen · 51-55, F
I known they thought that China would "make a deal" and they would see the benefit, and so they planted soy based off that belief.

But at some point, I would think they would have had a back up plan to plant other crops on other acreage as a "just in case it goes sideways".

I also understand that farmers get subsidies for growing crops like corn and soy to be sold overseas that they depend on. There's significant money tied up in those crops, so it makes sense to grow them.

However, when the government shows they aren't there for you, it's time to do what is best for you.

America doesn't have a food problem in the means of growing. We have a money issue. We grow plenty of food for everyone two times over. We just don't distribute food in a way where all can eat and there lies the problem.

Farmers are our first line of survival. When you undermine them, you undermine every person in America. When the farmers think they are going to get government assistance and don't, the chain breaks.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@FoxyQueen i think farmers get subsidies for NOT planting acres, for crops which are constantly in surplus. I don't see why we would pay subsidies to ship crops overseas.
FoxyQueen · 51-55, F
@SusanInFlorida They are paid subsidies to let feilds lay fallow to prevent overpropagation and repeat of the dust bowl. However, they also get subsidies for crops, like corn and soybean for issues such as low productivity, and risk management, but it is a US commodity that we use for trade, which is why they receive subsidies.

Unfortunately, because we are no longer trading with China, these subsidies don't apply, regardless of how well or bad the crips did because they are no longer a commodity to the US government, leaving, at minimun, 34% of the US farmers holding tons and tons of produce and all the expenses of growing, harvesting and storing them. They have produce that will receive no monetary worth for them, reducing 20% of their annual income, a huge loss and waste.
Charity · 61-69
@SusanInFlorida

Actually you're both are right farmers are paid to grow crops and farmers are paid not to grow crops, just depends

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/why-does-the-govt-pay-farmers

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/why-does-the-govt-pay-farmers
I don't know why Trump is so obsessed with tariffs. All I can think of is he once heard that prior to the 16th amendment in 1913, the US' main source of revenue was tariffs until it was replaced with the income tax. So maybe it's part of his "make America great by bringing us back to some imaginary golden age" philosophy. Also, it's obvious that he hates taxes, and doesn't understand that tariffs are a form of taxation.

I wish he had someone advising him on how tariffs work. The reason for the 13th amendment is because they weren't working. If the goal of a tariff is revenue, you want the foreign imports to continue. But if the goal is to stimulate American production, if that's successful, then the tariff ends when no more foreign goods are coming in after they've been replaced with domestically produced ones. Trump seems to want both of these even though they're mutually exclusive.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@LeopoldBloom he doesn't care how or if tariffs work. this is a vote buying scheme. the appearance of protecting domestic production and raising wages. Trump throws a dart at some industry on Monday, and by Wednesday he's picked another. It's about dominating the news cycle
Charity · 61-69
@LeopoldBloom

Trump has been advised on how tariffs work, he knows the pros and cons he just don't care. If people who who earn less income cann't afford prices, doesn't affect him, besides he has categorized people.
Khenpal1 · M
@SusanInFlorida I dont think one can blame Trump alone. Protectionism is new global trend.
exchrist · 36-40
I would like to see American soybean remain in the American ecosystem (& economy) unfortunately that lack of foreign investment into the American agricultural sector is destined to require increased farm subsidies. That will result in less foreign income into americas economy because of fewer exports being ordered and purchased.
It might be good for shoring up domestic supply chains; but given the interconnectivity of the global economy it is more likely that retaliatory tariffs will simply neutralize any gains that might result.
Will turning America inward allow improved competition with foreign supply chains? In about 6 to 8 years such that all the negatives stemming from trumps policies will fall heavily on the next administration.
That’s DJTs game! fuck up the situation to force a change then leave all the consequences onto the next person. A very American approach. The fix will then get blamed on a democrat (most likely) then switch back real the benefits and repeat
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@exchrist i'm becoming a fan of self sufficency (in our nation) on things like:

1 - food
2 - energy
3 - national defense tech
exchrist · 36-40
@SusanInFlorida those would be great priorities and goals instead America tries to turn military engagement into profit at the expense of domestic priorities ww2 politicians with ww2 strategies & solutions
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
curious what portion of that goes to WH group (Smithfield), chinese owned & their largest meat producing enterprise

quite a bit I'd imagine, and quite frankly, they need to be busted up... I'm not too keen on a country that constantly attacks us using cyberwarfare having a major impact on domestic food production...
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@wildbill83 apparently none. the soybeans in question are shipped (by the boatload) to the nation of china. although the chinese own some US pork producers, any soybeans fed to those hogs would be classified as "domestic production/consumption"
Charity · 61-69
Remember 2016 through 2020, he did the same thing and had to bail the farmers out paying them billions.

https://www.cfr.org/blog/92-percent-trumps-china-tariff-proceeds-has-gone-bail-out-angry-farmers

https://www.ewg.org/interactive-maps/2021-farm-subsidies-ballooned-under-trump/
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@Charity he is taking money received from tariffs to pay farmers. Welcome socialism, or maybe this is more communism since he is determine where the money will be going.
Charity · 61-69
@samueltyler2
Just like he did in 2019.

And he spent 1.7 trillion more in 2025.

https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/national-deficit/#:~:text=A%20deficit%20occurs%20when%20the,resulting%20in%20a%20national%20deficit.

He didn't reduce the deficit but added to it. With all the firing. Personally I think he's putting mush of it in his pockets and those he put in place who control certain areas.

In 2024 the national debt went up to 37.27 trillion.
https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/#:~:text=The%20deficit%20this%20year%20has,37.27%20trillion%20through%20August%202025.&text=The%20national%20debt%20is%20the,2.30%20trillion%20compared%20to%202023.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@Charity yes, you are preaching to the choir.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
He will send them billions of dollars to make them believe they were victimized and he saved them. He did that last time he interfered. He now says he will add 100% tariff to all pharmaceuticals as well. He is pushing things to the point the people will end up rebelling.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
The Soy crop is only the first in a series. Corn and wheat are still to come and will meet a similar fate..The whole primary production cycle of the US is undergoing a change it is completely unprepared for..😷
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@whowasthatmaskedman "the breadbasket of the world" is about to enter an era of more abundant and affordable crops here at home.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@SusanInFlorida Maybe... If the fertilizer is available. If the farmers can get the price locally to make it worth harvesting.. Remember. All those farms are subsidized right now. That may not last..😷
It is possible to "obsess" over more than one thing at a time.
Khenpal1 · M
World is building trade walls . Globalisation is on reversal. Mabe there will be some agrements maybe not.

 
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