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Land use economics: would you rather live next door to a wind farm, a nuclear power plant, or a mobile home park? And will we even have a choice?



Photo above – the Park City Wind Farm, now under construction off the coast of Massachusetts. 260 square miles have been leased from the US government for this project.

America’s largest existing wind farm (by land use) is in Roscoe Texas. It uses 100,000 acres (150 square miles) and supplies 250,000 homes. (800 MW). 600 turbines. 4 turbines per square mile. See link below.

There are larger wind farms of course. Jiuquan Wind Power Base in China has 7,000 turbines. Ten times as large. In theory it could produce 20 gigawatts of electricity. But in reality it generates less than half that. Something to do with being stuck in the middle of the Gobi desert, thousands of miles away from where that electricity is actually needed. Transmission losses and what not. China is adding a new wind turbine EVERY HOUR. But their largest turbine just fell apart in a wind storm 6 months ago. They will need to replace that one, and it will probably it will take more than an hour. See 2nd link below.

This is not a rant against farmland loss in Roscoe Texas, or China building the planet’s tallest wind turbine, one which was visible from outer space. China also has most of world's largest nuclear power plants.

The USA last built a nuclear power plant (Watt’s Bar, Tennessee) 30 years ago. China built 13 in the last decade or so and has 3 more under construction. The United Kingdom has 4 plants, averaging 40 years old. Canada also has a couple, about 50 years old. Australia has none. Public input may play a role in where nuclear plants and wind farms and solar farms sprout up. At least in democracies.

The inspiration for today's column was a nuclear power advocacy group pointing out that you could power the entire city of New York on the nuclear fuel which would fit inside a 2 bedroom apartment. While the amount of land needed for the same wind turbine capacity to keep the lights on in NYC would be the size of 5 Roscoe Texas wind farms – about 800 square miles. The nuclear advocacy group did not say where the spent nuclear fuel rods would be stored, or how many years they would take to reach non-lethal radiation levels. Presumably even more land would be needed for the waste repository, which wasn't part of their sales pitch. Most people don’t want to live next to a nuclear waste dump either. And you can’t just toss those fuel rods in the ocean and hope they become an artificial reef, like everyone is doing with broken wind turbines.

Is solar the solution? Florida is retiring a cornfield near me to build a solar farm. It will use even more land than a wind turbine park, for the electrical same output. And people will probably still want to watch TV, charge their EVs, and keep the lights on after 5pm. But perhaps eat less corn?

What’s the point of today’s rant? It's that we - the entire world - has difficult problems, and no obvious solutions. Whatever we choose is going to mean someone is going to lose their minds over the location and environmental impact.

Unless we all want to live in places like the Gobi Desert.

I’m just sayin’ . . .


Top 10 Largest Wind Farms in the World: Nature's Power

'Two blades break off' world's most powerful wind turbine in China | Recharge

List of nuclear power stations - Wikipedia
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wildbill83 · 41-45, M Best Comment
a 1000MW nuclear plant produces about 20-30 metric tons of high level waste (spent fuel rods mostly) per year; roughly three cubic meters worth. All of the high level waste the US has ever produced would fit in a football field stacked 10ft high

96% of that waste can be recycled and used in Fast Reactors, MSR's, CANDU's, etc. (The technology to re-use waste has been around for decades, it just hasn't been seriously pursued)
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
@jehova public transit doesn't work for contractors, farmers, truck drivers, etc.
jehova · 31-35, M
@wildbill83 it would get them to work as well as anything they can carry. Freight publc transit might be acheivable. To ease cost of distribution. Get freight containers some portion of the way there then unloaded for local truck distribution. It could be adapted to be functional to reduce cost. Instead same old naysayers! And only increasing cost.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@wildbill83 you are correct. i've marked this "best comment". here's a link authenticating your numbers:

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exchrist · 31-35
Id like to see a reduction in consumption (efficiency has been improving). We need a diversity of sources of electricity. As you noted solar doesnt work at night and we need that land for farming. Wind has its benefits but did you know if you absorb too much wind (about 83%) the wind stops? Nuclear is an option the spent waste could be dumped in space? On the far side of the moon. Where would it be stored between such an expensive trip? Idk. I like solar towers as a concept as well as farm roofs and agricultural towers. There is plenty of roof space in shyscraper ridden cities. Solar roofs are not an eye sore. Also lower scale wind on residential roofs or the occasional kite turbine (1TW each). Nuclear is definitely needed; might we build them on oil plateforms off coast? Also wind on the coastlines is most reliable.
Humans need to preserve natural space for plant oxygen production and wildlife habitat\preserves. We share this planet we dont own it.
It is a careful balance.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@exchrist AI and data centers in Wyoming now use more electricity than people/homes.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2025/07/ai-in-wyoming-may-soon-use-more-electricity-than-states-human-residents/
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SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@samueltyler2 i have few problems with trial and error.

except when it comes to radioactive materials
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@SusanInFlorida i spent a week at Oakridge learning about the use of radiation technology.
KiwiBird · 36-40, F
We need base load power.
Clean coal technology
Hot Rocks
Geothermal

*Solar needs storage batteries to use 24/7
*Wind farms don't work without wind or too much wind.

Ironically Australia exports a lot of uranium but uses very little. We are shutting down all coal fired power stations but export vast amounts to China for their power stations. You know it makes sense.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@KiwiBird geothermal seems clean enough. i'm guessing we don't hear more about it because there are few sites/opportunities close enough to earth's surface
Yulianna · 26-30, F
Thank you... interesting.
Amylynne · 31-35, F
mobile home park
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Amylynne i've rented in one. my theory is that satisfaction there is inversely proportional to how close together the units are, and how many of the neighbors have active felony warrants.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
The solution to the energy problem is to capture one of those UFOs and duplicate its power source that enabled it to travel light years distance across deep space. Wouldn't that be wonderful?
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Diotrephes i have a friend who is convinced that aliens from outer space are buzzing all around us. when i ask for actual evidence (debris, dead bodies) he says it's a government conspiracy to hide them.

evidently a conspiracy everyone is in on: China, Russia, England, Canada, Japan, Australia, Mexico.

If a UFO actually crashed in mexico, there would be a shrine and a line a mile long to worship at it.
Nuclear fusion is one option, but that won't be available on a commercial level until at least the 2060s. Assuming, of course, we figure out how to do it.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@LeopoldBloom thank you for being realistic about the date. I'm waiting for someone to pop into this thread and tell us "within 3 years"

Since I'm not going to live until 2060, let me ask my rhetorical question now:

Who wants to live next door to a fusion reactor humming away at 150 million degrees Celsius - Ten times hotter than the center of sun?
jehova · 31-35, M
As nuclear plants age they becomd increasingly unstable. It is best to replace and update such plants every 30 years
jehova · 31-35, M
@SusanInFlorida seems that way.
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
@jehova The Beznau Nuclear Power Plant in Switzerland has been in operation for around 55 years with no major problems, is currently running at 92% capacity and is expected to remain in operation until mid 2030's

For comparison, the oldest solar and wind power plants are only half as old and barely function at half their intended capacity...
jehova · 31-35, M
@wildbill83 good points my concern is America cuts alot of corners with nuclear thats a strategy for disaster.

 
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