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Land use economics: would you rather live next door to a wind farm, a nuclear power plant, or a mobile home park? And will we even have a choice?



Photo above – the Park City Wind Farm, now under construction off the coast of Massachusetts. 260 square miles have been leased from the US government for this project.

America’s largest existing wind farm (by land use) is in Roscoe Texas. It uses 100,000 acres (150 square miles) and supplies 250,000 homes. (800 MW). 600 turbines. 4 turbines per square mile. See link below.

There are larger wind farms of course. Jiuquan Wind Power Base in China has 7,000 turbines. Ten times as large. In theory it could produce 20 gigawatts of electricity. But in reality it generates less than half that. Something to do with being stuck in the middle of the Gobi desert, thousands of miles away from where that electricity is actually needed. Transmission losses and what not. China is adding a new wind turbine EVERY HOUR. But their largest turbine just fell apart in a wind storm 6 months ago. They will need to replace that one, and it will probably it will take more than an hour. See 2nd link below.

This is not a rant against farmland loss in Roscoe Texas, or China building the planet’s tallest wind turbine, one which was visible from outer space. China also has most of world's largest nuclear power plants.

The USA last built a nuclear power plant (Watt’s Bar, Tennessee) 30 years ago. China built 13 in the last decade or so and has 3 more under construction. The United Kingdom has 4 plants, averaging 40 years old. Canada also has a couple, about 50 years old. Australia has none. Public input may play a role in where nuclear plants and wind farms and solar farms sprout up. At least in democracies.

The inspiration for today's column was a nuclear power advocacy group pointing out that you could power the entire city of New York on the nuclear fuel which would fit inside a 2 bedroom apartment. While the amount of land needed for the same wind turbine capacity to keep the lights on in NYC would be the size of 5 Roscoe Texas wind farms – about 800 square miles. The nuclear advocacy group did not say where the spent nuclear fuel rods would be stored, or how many years they would take to reach non-lethal radiation levels. Presumably even more land would be needed for the waste repository, which wasn't part of their sales pitch. Most people don’t want to live next to a nuclear waste dump either. And you can’t just toss those fuel rods in the ocean and hope they become an artificial reef, like everyone is doing with broken wind turbines.

Is solar the solution? Florida is retiring a cornfield near me to build a solar farm. It will use even more land than a wind turbine park, for the electrical same output. And people will probably still want to watch TV, charge their EVs, and keep the lights on after 5pm. But perhaps eat less corn?

What’s the point of today’s rant? It's that we - the entire world - has difficult problems, and no obvious solutions. Whatever we choose is going to mean someone is going to lose their minds over the location and environmental impact.

Unless we all want to live in places like the Gobi Desert.

I’m just sayin’ . . .


Top 10 Largest Wind Farms in the World: Nature's Power

'Two blades break off' world's most powerful wind turbine in China | Recharge

List of nuclear power stations - Wikipedia
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wildbill83 · 41-45, M Best Comment
a 1000MW nuclear plant produces about 20-30 metric tons of high level waste (spent fuel rods mostly) per year; roughly three cubic meters worth. All of the high level waste the US has ever produced would fit in a football field stacked 10ft high

96% of that waste can be recycled and used in Fast Reactors, MSR's, CANDU's, etc. (The technology to re-use waste has been around for decades, it just hasn't been seriously pursued)
jehova · 31-35, M
@wildbill83 okay so we could do it but we are too stuck in a past of petroleum.
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
@jehova It's still the most practical source of mobile power; batteries are a dead end tech; and we lack the tech to effectively make a reactor powerful and compact enough to power a car...
jehova · 31-35, M
@wildbill83 yes for now its the best option. More public mass transit is best
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
@jehova not everyone lives in urban areas nor follows a typical commuter pattern
jehova · 31-35, M
@wildbill83 more buses in rural and suburban areas? In upstate ny there are passenger vans by request. 2.50 a rider
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
@jehova public transit doesn't work for contractors, farmers, truck drivers, etc.
jehova · 31-35, M
@wildbill83 it would get them to work as well as anything they can carry. Freight publc transit might be acheivable. To ease cost of distribution. Get freight containers some portion of the way there then unloaded for local truck distribution. It could be adapted to be functional to reduce cost. Instead same old naysayers! And only increasing cost.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@wildbill83 you are correct. i've marked this "best comment". here's a link authenticating your numbers:

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