Bleed · 41-45, F
It’s a good start. I’d like to get to where I can state at which point I want to be euthanised. Examples like locked in syndrome where i can’t move or communicate. But especially with dementia. Both grandparents went out that way and I don’t want to go through that. At the end my grandma couldn’t remember how to swallow. She kept trying to drink and it would all come back out. 6 days it took her to die from dehydration. 6! We wouldn’t allow dogs to suffer like that so why should we??
emiliya · 22-25, F
@Bleed Why do you need assistance from the state?
“She kept trying to drink and it would all come back out.”
Why did she not have intravenous fluids? Are you saying her doctor and her family allowed her to pass from dehydration? You do not need to say you need fluids for others, especially doctors, to know you need fluids. We need hydration every day. This seems to be negligence.
“She kept trying to drink and it would all come back out.”
Why did she not have intravenous fluids? Are you saying her doctor and her family allowed her to pass from dehydration? You do not need to say you need fluids for others, especially doctors, to know you need fluids. We need hydration every day. This seems to be negligence.
LeopoldBloom · M
@emiliya Many dying people feel more comfortable if they're allowed to dehydrate. Hospice workers will tell you this. Forcing a dying person to remain hydrated when they don't want to is either misinformed or sadistic.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
emiliya · 22-25, F
@CountScrofula This is unfortunate.
LeopoldBloom · M
Assisted suicide is a compassionate response to the technology that can prolong human life past the point of reason and dignity. It's evil to force people to spend their last days in unimaginable suffering. This legislation is long overdue. Unfortunately, the sadistic religious lunatics in the US that derive pleasure from others' suffering will never allow this here. Regardless, people are able to take matters into their own hands, albeit not always effectively.
One of my friends died a few years ago from idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis. He was a high school science teacher. He said as a scientist and an educator, he felt obligated to explain his condition to others, and posted a graph on Facebook showing his declining lung function over time until it intersected the line where it would be incompatible with life. He was able to set aside enough morphine to deliberately overdose himself when he reached the point where he was unable to raise his arm without getting out of breath. When the time came, he was wheeled out to his back deck, and exited life surrounded by his family. It would have been better if he'd been able to get a prescription for this instead of having to rely on subterfuge by denying medication to himself when he needed it in order to have enough to exit life on his own terms.
One of my friends died a few years ago from idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis. He was a high school science teacher. He said as a scientist and an educator, he felt obligated to explain his condition to others, and posted a graph on Facebook showing his declining lung function over time until it intersected the line where it would be incompatible with life. He was able to set aside enough morphine to deliberately overdose himself when he reached the point where he was unable to raise his arm without getting out of breath. When the time came, he was wheeled out to his back deck, and exited life surrounded by his family. It would have been better if he'd been able to get a prescription for this instead of having to rely on subterfuge by denying medication to himself when he needed it in order to have enough to exit life on his own terms.
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emiliya · 22-25, F
@LeopoldBloom You say he chose to kill himself by overdosing on morphine. I would prefer to do this than ask a doctor to burden himself with my death.
What happens when the Doctor Deaths deceive their patients? And the lazy doctors who cannot be bothered to do their job by helping their patients?
What happens when the Doctor Deaths deceive their patients? And the lazy doctors who cannot be bothered to do their job by helping their patients?
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LeopoldBloom · M
@emiliya Does it give you pleasure to imagine people spending their last days in hopeless pain? I sincerely hope you're not in the medical profession.
emiliya · 22-25, F
@LeopoldBloom No.
I was in the profession when I was a medical student, and could be again if I returned to finish my degree.
I was in the profession when I was a medical student, and could be again if I returned to finish my degree.
KiwiBird · 36-40, F
Voluntary Assisted Dying or VAD is available in South Australia.
Strictly controlled.
Six month life expectancy
Obviously the person involved has to have mental capacity to make decisions on their health care. Independently assessed by two suitably qualified medical professionals and there are over 70 safeguards. Not an easy process.
Obviously those with advanced dementia would not be eligible.
Strictly controlled.
Six month life expectancy
Obviously the person involved has to have mental capacity to make decisions on their health care. Independently assessed by two suitably qualified medical professionals and there are over 70 safeguards. Not an easy process.
Obviously those with advanced dementia would not be eligible.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
The Bill passed through the Commons stage yesterday. It is some way off becoming law yet, and will certainly undergo further revision.
Its primary purpose is avoid criminalising people for making rational and compassionate decisions. And to ensure that this option is not available only to those who can afford a private clinic in Switzerland.
Its primary purpose is avoid criminalising people for making rational and compassionate decisions. And to ensure that this option is not available only to those who can afford a private clinic in Switzerland.
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SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@emiliya Natural deaths frequently involve intolerable suffering. Do not judge others until you have stood in their shoes.
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PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@emiliya You have yet to provide a single one. There is no valid reason for using the state to force a religion based policy of cruelty that directly violates the oath of all doctors.
And great job calling it "state backed" to try and make it sound scary. Literally the only thing it means is you will not be prosecuted for helping someone die with dignity and in peace and putting their family out of their suffering too.
And great job calling it "state backed" to try and make it sound scary. Literally the only thing it means is you will not be prosecuted for helping someone die with dignity and in peace and putting their family out of their suffering too.
emiliya · 22-25, F
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow It is state-backed when it is passed by the state. This has been passed by the state. We are dealing with reality.
I do not believe a doctor should have the right to administer death to their patients, and I do not believe the patient should ever ask this of their doctor. Do others who wish to commit suicide ask their doctor to do it for them? Why do they need the state to do it for them?
I do not believe a doctor should have the right to administer death to their patients, and I do not believe the patient should ever ask this of their doctor. Do others who wish to commit suicide ask their doctor to do it for them? Why do they need the state to do it for them?
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@emiliya Umm no. That is just you using terms to make it looks scary. It literally means nothing beyond you won't be arrested for allowing someone to die peacefully.
Your personal feelings are irrelevant. Someone should not have to die a horrible painful death because of your feelings. And you don't have the right to impose your feelings on the entire population.
The state is not doing anything. You are lying by implying they are. Literally the only aspect that involves the state at all is not prosecuting people for allowing people to choose a way out.
Quit pretending this is like the death penalty. It is not. And it is deliberately dishonest to suggest it is.
Your personal feelings are irrelevant. Someone should not have to die a horrible painful death because of your feelings. And you don't have the right to impose your feelings on the entire population.
The state is not doing anything. You are lying by implying they are. Literally the only aspect that involves the state at all is not prosecuting people for allowing people to choose a way out.
Quit pretending this is like the death penalty. It is not. And it is deliberately dishonest to suggest it is.
That automated system doesn't speak for all, so that is a no
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
LeopoldBloom · M
@Roundandroundwego It doesn't surprise me that you would find some way to twist medical care into class warfare.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@LeopoldBloom I'm just thinking about the family I know best and their loud pronouncements that it should have been me not my brother who died.
FreestyleArt · 36-40, M
emiliya · 22-25, F
@KiwiBird We can choose evil over obedience and goodness, which is what abortion and state-backed suicide are. It does not escape the attention of God. When Adam and Eve choose to listen to Satan, humanity was cursed, but there is redemption through Christ.
A doctor is there to intervene to save lives, not end them. He and the state have no right to end them.
A doctor is there to intervene to save lives, not end them. He and the state have no right to end them.
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LeopoldBloom · M
@emiliya Please cite the Bible verse that says people who commit suicide go to hell.
emiliya · 22-25, F
@LeopoldBloom Murder is a sin. You should know that “lo tirtzach” is one of the Ten Commandments. It is a sin to take the lives of others and a sin to take your own life.
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emiliya · 22-25, F
@iamthe99 What do you think about morality? I assume you have morals? I think God is morality. Suicide, assisted or not, is a mortal sin. I am also guided by my politics, which tell me that the state should not pass legislation making it legal for doctors to not only administer the suicide poison to patient, but suggest it.
Perhaps the patient can live for more than six months, perhaps there is a cure, perhaps there will be a miracle, perhaps doctor is wrong, perhaps the doctor wants to get rid of the patient, perhaps the state is looking to save money...
Why can't you think of these things?
Perhaps the patient can live for more than six months, perhaps there is a cure, perhaps there will be a miracle, perhaps doctor is wrong, perhaps the doctor wants to get rid of the patient, perhaps the state is looking to save money...
Why can't you think of these things?
Irony can't die if never alive, pointless post
emiliya · 22-25, F
@NativePortlander1970 Many? I thought it was only Oregon? Most of the states allowing it began to in last ten years.