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Isn’t Trump pro Israel?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/protesters-wave-nazi-flags-diary-anne-frank-production-michigan-rcna179774

How does this fit in with his base? Explain this one to me.
Ynotisay · M
Not sure this has much to do with him but I'd bet everything I have that he couldn't point to Israel on a map if it was written out.
Handfull1 · 61-69, F
@Ynotisay unfortunately, the bold show of racism or whatever you want to call this has everything to do with Trump even if not through policies.
Ynotisay · M
@Handfull1 I think to an extent in that they feel emboldened. They're just weak little boys with a need to rage and belong. But the underpinnings have always been there. Those people exist. Wasn't that long ago that there was a battle over the Civil Rights law. I think they got pushed back under the rocks but they're coming out again.
Handfull1 · 61-69, F
@Ynotisay hopefully we can push them back under the rocks again. Doubtful if anytime soon tho
Bumbles · 51-55, M
Neo-Nazis are generally Trump supporters, but not all Trump supporters are Neo-Nazis. Trump is pro right-wing Israel because his evangelical base wants to protect Israel for the Second Coming. It's a transactional relationship. The Neo-Nazis don't love Jared, but Trump generally is admired because he codes white supremacist and doesn't, in any meaningful way, criticize neo-Nazis.

Trump engages in antisemitism as well, but more in an Archie Bunker way, not an Adolf Hitler way.
Northwest · M
Not all his supporters are Nazi.

Trump is pro Trump. His son-in-law is an Orthodox Jew, and will be spearheading all sorts of construction projects in Gaza, and the West Bank. He also wants the oil Arabs' money.
@Northwest That is a totally irrelevant statement. Not even all of Hitler's supporters were nazis. There were plenty of opportunists 80 years ago too. So what?

And can we not pretend that Zionism doesn't have it's own long history with the far right and outright fascism too.
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whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
It depends...Did the cheque clear??😷
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
Trump is pro-himself. Everything else is negotiable.
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@ViciDraco He is a transactional leader, he doesn't have an overall philosophy or belief system.
@ViciDraco True. 30 years ago he was a pro choice NYC liberal until it wasn't profitable.
Starcrossed · 41-45, F
The only thing Trump is truly pro, is Pro-Trump.

His policies will align with whomever he'll personally benefit/profit from the most.
GerOttman · 61-69, M
it doesn't really. nothing to do with mainstream conservatives. Just some whak-a-doo nut jobs looking for attention. ang getting it too. it's not an accident either!
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@Handfull1 You're talking to a COVID conspiracy crackhead. Nothing will ever be enough.
Handfull1 · 61-69, F
@LordShadowfire it is sad I guess. In the guise of love!
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@Handfull1 That's the part that gets me. They have to end with some fake positive uplifting message to try and prove that they're the better person. Meanwhile, millions of people are dead because of the message spread by people like this. It's insane to me.
A lot of Nazis like Israel because it's the model for what they want. If you think that sounds crazy, keep in mind that the original Nazis worked with Zionists.
Jake966 · 56-60, M
He recognizes Jerusalem as a capital of Israel, the first American president to ever do so
Jake966 · 56-60, M
@Vin53 so , we all know that doesn’t happen like that but they do come home wanting the surgery . If they want the surgery and parents take that child to a psychiatrist and they live in NY State the parents can be charged and go to jail . But that’s what the liberals want is to make children believe that they are the opposite gender than what they are so they can get an operation and be sterilized
Vin53 · M
@Jake966 No No No No....you can't connect a child talking to his parents about why a boy might want to be a girl instead and then attach it the Grand Canyon leap of saying that schools are kidnapping kids and cutting off their genitalia and sending them home days later, sorry, that's not even remotely in the same universe and you damn well know it!
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Entwistle · 56-60, M
He doesn't know if Israel is or isn't real.
Vin53 · M

LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
If you're at a rally, and there's a guy with a Nazi flag at that rally, and nobody's kicking the guy with the Nazi flag out of the rally, you're at a Nazi rally.

"There were very fine people, on both sides."
Elessar · 26-30, M
lol, Trump is only pro-Trump
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Roundandroundwego Oh sweet summer child, if you believe Trump's policy will be that as of now I have a massive bridge to sell you. No, it'll be much worse.
@Elessar NATO alone runs Washington. Their oligarchs really like the apocalypse - it's their best defense against socialism,! And the USA seems to be the one nation that would rather be dead than red - but has the hardware to make everyone dead!
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Roundandroundwego The US doesn't need NATO lmao, Trump may even withdraw from it (if not formally, practically) and his foreign policy will be identically the same.

Enjoy the consequence of voting third party / not voting.
Yup. Americans know there's never a difference in policy between the two parties. War sneeers at the quaintly servile public. Mythical. I'm luvin' it fer them! You might call it DESERVED.
I mean War, seated on a Black stallion, with whips and scourges flailing at their bloodied hinds. Really. And them scrambling to work harder and deserve more war!
Handfull1 · 61-69, F
Personally, I think they didn’t pick their battles wisely. Just like the extreme right, the extreme left went off the deep end. Like the pronouns, gender neutral, DEI, etc. Obviously, much of the general population felt more threatened by that than the possibility of a dictator in office. After all, they think none of this will affect them!
Mmiker · 46-50, M
Simple. It’s NBC news. Fake news
Mmiker · 46-50, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow @Handfull1 I think that’s where you’ll are still wrong and going the wrong way. Don’t you see that they mislead everyone and therefore the devastating result?
@Mmiker Says the guy who worships a literal fascist cult leader.
Handfull1 · 61-69, F
@Mmiker so what’s your answer? Ban all media?? What’s your media of choice?
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
Cognitive dissonance.
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helenS · 36-40, F
@JimboSaturn I didn't know that about the right-wing Christians. Wow 😳
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@helenS Oh, yeah. It's in the Bible. Says that there will be a New Jerusalem, and all the Jews will go there right before the end of the world. That's what the whole Israel thing is about for them.
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@LordShadowfire Zionist Christians are salivating this, they can't wait for the destruction and apocalytic wars.
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22Michelle · 61-69, T
@TAReturns Nailed it.
Aysel · F
@TAReturns False.
Handfull1 · 61-69, F
@Aysel are you causing drama??
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ViciDraco · 36-40, M
@Handfull1 Musk makes perfect sense when you realize what makes him tick. He's got a hero complex and wants to be worshipped. His space company and his electric car company were both couched in terms of advancing and saving humanity. Disasters hit and he made big public spectacles of helping out.

The cracks started show in that Chilean mining incident where he was going to send help and then some divers got the job done and instead of supporting the divers, he attacked them since they stole his spotlight.

The left might recognize EVs and space exploration as good things, but they criticize his labor practices. They point out his flaws and don't treat him like a hero.

The maga crowd have shown their willingness to engage in unfaltering hero worship. Musk sees in them a group of people willing to give him the adulation he craves and so he has fallen in line and hitched his wagon to the far right in order to get some of that hero worship directed at him.
Handfull1 · 61-69, F
@ViciDraco I get Musk but not the far right siding with him. Except for money and being crazy.
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
@Handfull1 His anti-covid shutdown really put him on their radar. Then he started championing echoing their worst sentiments and backed up their "freedom of speech" talking points. He tried to play it neutral for a bit but went hard right during pandemic.

 
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