White Dudes for Harris, let's do this thing!

@BohemianBabe I ordered one just now, and I'm going to wear it all over right here in a deep Red state.

@BohemianBabe I like this cap too


BTW, it's the title of a song by C&W star Toby Keith (who succumbed to cancer at age 62). In the song, 'the old man' represents death and/or fear of death. But the slogan fits Trump's fear-mongering campaign pretty well!
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@Ontheroad when you get tired of running in circles, get back to us

@MasterLee 🤣😂😂

@Ontheroad enjoy your run

@SumKindaMunster

I am in agreement with the idea that we need to deal with illegal immigrants. I also agree the wall would stop some illegals.

If we use your numbers (from fact check), that is about a net of 400,000 over about 3 years. Of that,400,000 about half would have been stopped or slowed by a wall. The other half comes in at ports of entry and drive right by BP agents.

The wall's estimated cost was $11 billion (and estimates for government contracts ALWAYS balloon rather dramatically), so just the initial cost would end up being closer to $15-20 billion).

At let's say $15 billion, I don't see the return on the investment as a wise move. If that was the total cost to stop illegals, then okay, but it isn't, won't be, and can't be.

The walls you spoke of were: 1. In ancient times (Great Wall of China) and stopped armies, not the few who wanted to sneak in, and 2. In the more modern era walls were closely guarded and the penalty was death (shot down without question) for trying to cross them.

That is not the purpose of Trump's wall, nor are we going to kill those who do make it over them.

Never mind the global diplomatic issues a wall creates.

Also, nobody has asked for an open border, nobody, so let's stop using that. That is and always has been a non-starter. Yes, there is a desire for third-world immigrants, mostly for humanitarian reasons, but not without restraint/limits. Let's stop making those claims too.

"Nobody" equals sane folks, not the odd crackpots here and there.

I want and we need controlled immigration and zero illegals coming in. I believe we can get there and a wall is wasted money and effort in that regard.

Add that to the fact that Trump would overall be bad for the country, and I can't get to the point where him as president is any wiser than the wall.

Put it to Congress, tell every last member of Congress they will be voted out if they don't, in their next session, pass initial and substantial legislation to give us a start to a total solution in the next 8 years.

Most of the nation and most of Trump's wall supporters didn't know squat about illegal immigration 8 years ago.

The wall is a political tool (votes for Trump), a band-aid, and only a temporary slowing of illegals that is and will continue to be ridiculously expensive.

Social Security: Totally agree with needing fraud controls. Totally agree that illegals should not get a penny from SS funds.

@Ontheroad I feel like the cost to protect and close the southern border is irrelevant. We spend a ridiculous amount of money on complete nonsense so I find this argument unconvincing. We can easily spend the money to secure the southern border.

Honestly, if the whole "wall" thing is objectionable, then I am open to other technologies to again, prevent people from crossing the southern border unfettered. It could be anything. Drones, robots, soldiers whatever.

The walls I spoke of served their demonstrable purposes. They kept people from crossing the divide. My point here is that wall work, otherwise they wouldn't be built.


Dude, please. We are funding Israel's massacre of the Palestinians and have psychotically expanded and extended the war between Ukraine and Russia. How is this going to hurt our reputation more? Ultimately I don't care what other countries think, we do what we want, consequences be damned.


I know...I know. Congress is a bunch of feckless cowards. They don't do shit unless the entire party agrees it should be done. A President using the bully pulpit to push Congress to make the needed changes is helpful....Congress can get off its lazy ass and pass laws that prevent the President from taking action...or they can fix it on their own...


I don't believe that. That's political propaganda.

@SumKindaMunster I think we've reached a point where we have to agree to disagree. We can go on and on doing the point, counterpoint thing, but our basic views on how we get from point A to B aren't going to change.

I'll end discussing this issue by saying if it rises to the level of importance that it is a single issue for who we put in place as a president, then I'll point out the failure of the Republican party in the Senate to even consider talking about HR 815 and leave it there.

@SlaveEt I start out with the character, intelligence, basic core beliefs, ethics, and morality of the person I support. If I cannot believe in the person, trust them, see they are level-headed, act with dignity, are willing to learn and see new ideas, and in general believe they are interested in what is best for our country (not just themselves), then I can't even consider them.

Kamala, I believe, has shown herself all through her time as a DA, Senator, VP and now presidential candidate to be such a person. Nobody is perfect... we all have our flaws and no, she isn't perfect, but she does seem to be a far better choice than the alternative, and is someone I can respect.

I've watched her strong support of key issues, issues important to me that include, but are not limited to Abortion Rights, LGBTQ issues, measured, fair actions concerning immigrants and immigration, social and racial justice/equality, ending the war in Gaza, work on providing a means for all to have adequate healthcare and in general, be one who will support an equitable criminal justice system.

I don't base my support and vote for those who will do something for me. I do support and vote for who I believe will be the person for our country as a whole.

So, while I have questions about Kamala, I have no questions about her opponent. He has through his entire adult life and in his campains and while president, shown who he is. I believe him.

@Ontheroad
A thoughtful response. Ty😊

@SlaveEt I support Harris based on her record as Vice President. Also, here in the San Francisco Bay Area we know her well. She was district attorney in Oakland, CA, 1990-2010. She earned a reputation for toughness as she prosecuted cases of gang violence, drug trafficking, and sexual abuse. She rose through the ranks, eventually becoming Attorney General, 2011-2017. Among her accomplishments is settling a nationwide lawsuit against mortgage lenders for unfair practices. She pressed California’s case and in 2012 won a judgment five times higher than that originally offered.

Harris’s book, Smart on Crime (2009; cowritten with Joan O’C. Hamilton), was considered a model for dealing with the problem of criminal recidivism.

@nudistsueaz fair enough, and I appreciate/respect a dissenting view without getting ugly about it.

@Ontheroad Your welcome. Just more interested in the country than personalities.

@Samek totally understandable... at the polls is the most important.

@Patriot96 I apologize but I cannot take you seriously anymore. Your childish use of language is too perplexing.

@RageAgainstTheMachine live with it

@Patriot96 If you would like to interact with me on a political basis, I am not opposed to it, I simply ask for maturity.

@Kenworth4954 fair enough, to each his own

@Kenworth4954 I'm not listening to someone named Swae, come on!

@Midlifemale Your choice, I don't smoke anything and that's what you are missing... I and hundreds, nay millions are thinking.

@LordShadowfire Republicans are not taking away your medicare...that's just a lie Joe Biden started. It's federally controlled.
Democrats spend way too much and Kamala wants to spend more and most of it is for the black community...that's her agenda.

@Midlifemale No. Joe Biden did not start that. Go to project2025.org and educate yourself.

@Patriot96 yawnnn....

@Patriot96

Nope.Your ilk did.

@WalksWith

@KiwiBird

@NoThanksLeon pplease explain. Nothing racist about it

@Patriot96 Explain what MY skin color has to do with who I vote for.

@James25 Biden has a great record, but damn, it feels so good to see a Democrat who could actually vocalize the arguments.

@BohemianBabe yes it is very empowering positive and adding momentum and energy for us to win this election

@IM5688 that's fair, each of us has to do what we do.

@BRUUH That won't be harris then

@Rolexeo I do, and I have respect for others... that's why I will vote for Kamala and not Trump.

@Ontheroad Anybody signing up for "White dudes for Harris" and advocating others do too simply does not have self-respect lol

@RageAgainstTheMachine Actually, I just took a few seconds to fact check this. Turns out there was a "White Dudes For Harris" account that was posting very nasty rасіst and trаnsphobic memes which I will not repost. There might be an official account by the same name, but the one I'm seeing that was suspended deserves it.

Update: I found the official Twitter account for the real "White Dudes For Harris". It's still up. Elon hasn't made that bold a move yet.

@LordShadowfire I am spreading disinformation. I shall hide my post.

@RageAgainstTheMachine Hey, it's okay. On the surface, it absolutely did look like he was suspending them.

@Patriot96 Straight from the Trumpanzee dictionary with that comment: