Labour had less people vote for them in 2024 than in 2019.

@Northwest that may be true, but, historically that one vote magnified by similar ones products less democracy. On the US, in 2016, a few more votes, in the right states, would have altered history!

@samueltyler2 Same in 2000 but a massively different scale. A hundred or so votes, in Florida, could have meant that:

- The "Bin Laden is up to something" memo could have been acted upon.

- Iraq would not have been invaded.

- There would be peace between Israel and Palestinians.

- The tectonic shift caused by the refugee crisis would not have happened, and the neo-Nazi movements in Europe, and the USA would not have happened.

- We could be breathing cleaner air.

@Northwest actually the votes were probably there in 2000, the decision was not made by actually recounting the ballots, the hanging chad problem, but by SCOTUS and Al Gore being a gentleman.

@AdaXI I agree that the Photo ID is a bit of an issue - but, this time, there is the issue of postal votes that weren't sent out in some constituencies... and that will have undoubtedly have impacted people who wanted to vote, but couldn't find a proxy with photo ID to go and cast their vote for them at short notice. I have a feeling that the data associated with people being turned away due to Photo ID issues will be released in the coming days, though, just as it was with the local elections. The only reason that Photo ID made it big on polling day with the local elections was because Boris decided to leave his ID at home and play the "I really am Boris Johnson" card.

I don't think it really inspired voters to turn out in any great numbers when they sat and watched the last two years of the Tories bashing on immigrants and doubling down on Rwanda... I mean, sure, immigration is a problem and the boats do need to be stopped as a matter of safety for the people who are dying trying to get here - but has it really been our biggest issue in that time??? I don't think it has, given that people have been getting "cost of living" payments because welfare doesn't go far enough to ensure that they can afford to pay their utility bills.

I prefer to look more at the policies rather than the party leader. I don't benefit more no matter who the leader is, but I do benefit from their policies. I do benefit from a Prime Minister who isn't so out of touch that he believes that working twenty three and a half hours a day is the answer to poverty and I do benefit from a Prime Minister who doesn't spend 2 years ear marking British born citizens who have parents who migrated to this country before they were born to be sent to Rwanda... wth does Windrush have to do with the boats and illegal immigrants anyway???

@HootyTheNightOwl You speak a lot of sense my friend, I mean we're totally on the same page x
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@AdaXI A point that I want to add us that - though labour got a similar number of voters to last time - it's probably not all the same people.

We are yet to see the deep number crunch but the I'll bet that the labour electorate this time veered towards more middle aged and centrist, rather than young or leftwing from last time.

I think labour did pick up a number of Tory voters but lost at least the same number to other parties, especially the Greens.

We know why.

@BritishFailedAesthetic Listen to your wife more. 😜

@Burnley123 I'm a boring Blairite. My only real Corbynista view is on housing.

Plus I am suspicious of the far left censoring views, taxing churches, etc. 😅

@BritishFailedAesthetic like I said...

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@HootyTheNightOwl The electoral system has normally helped the Conservatives but in this election, it was the opposite

@Burnley123 It's probably the amount of people that the Tories pissed off that came home to roost for the party as a whole.

I'm still not even sure what prompted Rishi to come out of the gate in the campaign with his "National Service" idea. On paper, it sounded reasonably good - but in theory, I still don't understand how he logically thought it would work out.

26 weekends is only 6 months - so, what's the point in taking an 18 year old and training them for 2 months to carry out a voluntary role for 4 months??? The time and energy would have been better spent on building up work experience programmes for the sick and disabled to try different jobs before they have to take the plunge and apply for a job that they might not be able to do when it comes to the crunch.

They want the number of long term sick and disabled to go down, yet they're happy to push them into cleaning jobs (where they need a driving licence that they might or might not be able to hold) rather than helping them to establish if there are any jobs they might be able to do that they haven't otherwise considered.

@kutee I understand lolz.