Convicted Felon Trump Declares Big Win

SCOTUS said that presidents have immunity for official acts but not all acts are official, and lower courts must decide which acts qualify for each.

Convicted Felon Trump declared the decision a big win and makes Jack Smith's case null and void. In fact, it doesn't because the SCOTUS decision sends the case back to the same court that ruled he has no immunity, as it relates to the Jan 6th attempted coup.

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samueltyler2 · 80-89, M

This decision will be interpreted by many. So it remained to be seen. But, everyone must stop and really pay attention to this decision. If it really declared the president to have such strong core immunity, we all need to pay very careful attention to what the candidate says he will do as soon as he gets elected.

Northwest · M

@samueltyler2 We know what he's going to say if he gets elected. He already said it today. He claims he was conducting official presidential business on Jan 6th. The record will say he wasn't.

The court affirmed what we already know: the President has immunity if it's an official business: orders the assassination of a threat to the nation. But not if he shoots a jaywalker on 5th Avenue.

Zaphod42 · 51-55, M

@Northwest So if Biden were to declare the Republican Party a threat to national security…? 🤔

samueltyler2 · 80-89, M

@Zaphod42 isn't that what would beballow d now under this decision?

Zaphod42 · 51-55, M

@samueltyler2 That’s what I’m wondering….how far does the immunity of official acts go? And who gets to determine what an official act is?

samueltyler2 · 80-89, M

@Zaphod42 from what I heard, the President does. Isn't that what Nixon espoused, if the president died it, it can't be illegal.

Northwest · M

@Zaphod42

And who gets to determine what an official act is?

Per the SCOTUS ruling, this is left up to the lower courts, and the lower courts already ruled that Convicted Felon Trump did not have immunity in this case (and that's what precipitated the SCOTUS hearing), and those courts are not expected to change their minds.

samueltyler2 · 80-89, M

@Northwest what do you really expect if a lower court decides he is in violation, that case would go up to SCOTUS and turn?

Northwest · M

@samueltyler2 It's not going back to SCOTUS. The latter already ruled today.

When SCOTUS accepted the hearing, it was game over. The delay it introduced, guaranteed that the case was not going to trial prior to the elections. This is why I don't understand why the claim that this is a huge win for Convicted Felon Trump. He already won with the delay. His only goal was to delay the trial.

You could say that if he becomes President, he will no longer hesitate to commit treason, and call it an official act.

When he was President, he met with Putin, and then announced to the world, that he believes Putin's assertion that he's not spying on the US or engaging in cyber warfare. He also wanted to invite Putin's security people, to "clean up" the FBI cyber systems and "remove" threats.

This could be an official act. Most of us will consider it as an act of treason, but you will not see a single MAGA batting an eye.

samueltyler2 · 80-89, M

@Northwest from m what I heard, they left individual decisions as to is an activity related to the president's job or not to the lower court, if challenged in a lawsuit. The DC d is straight CT court already was clear on that issue and the lot decisions n challenged by SCOTUS which is where we were today.

Then convicted felon, former president, has already committed several acts that in 1776 would likely have resulted in a trial for treason.