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[Politics] Louisiana will require the 10 Commandments displayed in every public school classroom

https://www.npr.org/2024/06/19/nx-s1-5012597/louisiana-10-commandments-law-public-school-classrooms
BATON ROUGE, La. — Louisiana has become the first state to require that the Ten Commandments be displayed in every public school classroom, the latest move from a GOP-dominated Legislature pushing a conservative agenda under a new governor.

The legislation that Republican Gov. Jeff Landry signed into law on Wednesday requires a poster-sized display of the Ten Commandments in “large, easily readable font” in all public classrooms, from kindergarten to state-funded universities.

Opponents questioned the law’s constitutionality and vowed to challenge it in court. Proponents said the the measure is not solely religious, but that it has historical significance. In the language of the law, the Ten
Commandments are “foundational documents of our state and national government.”
WWNO: Louisiana will face lawsuit over Ten Commandments school displays

The posters, which will be paired with a four-paragraph “context statement” describing how the Ten Commandments “were a prominent part of American public education for almost three centuries,” must be in place in classrooms by the start of 2025.

Under the law, state funds will not be used to implement the mandate. The posters would be paid for through donations.

The law also “authorizes” but does not require the display of other items in K-12 public schools, including: The Mayflower Compact, which was signed by religious pilgrims aboard the Mayflower in 1620 and is often referred to as America’s “First Constitution"; the Declaration of Independence; and the Northwest Ordinance, which established a government in the Northwest Territory — in the present day Midwest — and created a pathway for admitting new states to the Union.

Not long after the governor signed the bill into law at Our Lady of Fatima Catholic School in Lafayette on Wednesday, civil rights groups and organizations that want to keep religion out of government promised to file a lawsuit challenging it.

The law prevents students from getting an equal education and will keep children who have different beliefs from feeling safe at school, the American Civil Liberties Union, Americans United for Separation of Church and State, and the Freedom from Religion Foundation said in a joint statement Wednesday afternoon.

“Even among those who may believe in some version of the Ten Commandments, the particular text that they adhere to can differ by religious denomination or tradition. The government should not be taking sides in this theological debate,” the groups said.

The controversial law, in a state ensconced in the Bible Belt, comes during a new era of conservative leadership in Louisiana under Landry, who replaced two-term Democratic Gov. John Bel Edwards in January. The GOP holds a supermajority in the Legislature, and Republicans hold every statewide elected position, paving the way for lawmakers to push through a conservative agenda.

Similar bills requiring the Ten Commandments be displayed in classrooms have been proposed in other states including Texas, Oklahoma and Utah. However, with threats of legal battles over the constitutionality of such measures, no state besides Louisiana has succeeded in making the bills law.

Legal battles over the display of the Ten Commandments in classrooms are not new.

In 1980, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a similar Kentucky law was unconstitutional and violated the establishment clause of the U.S. Constitution, which says Congress can “make no law respecting an establishment of religion.” The high court found that the law had no secular purpose but rather served a plainly religious purpose.


First Amendment


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


While I don't like what is happening here in the USA, I don't see any way around what is happening. What is happening is why this current supreme court is oh so wrong!

What is impairitive is a rewording of certain Federal constitutional amendments. That of course will never ever happen.

Congress is not the states. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion . Yet the States can by that wording!

Now this law may or may not violate Louisiana state Constitution. That is to be determined. Yet this SCOTUS is not going to rule against this, if they should even take up the matter.

They have already ruled that states rights are more important.

Now is the time to change the Constitution more than ever before! And if not that change the Supreme Court Of The United States!
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M Pinned Comment
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CestManan · 46-50, F
Given the diversity of this nation and of the religions, seems like that would be trying to force christianity onto students who may practice a different one at home.

Having religion in schools is just not a good idea. I remember in school we had a little. It confused me more than anything. Like how they said one of the sins was "wrath", yet the teachers who claimed to be "Christian" were always the meanest and angriest ones.

Religion in any capacity has no place in an institution meant for education.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@Diotrephes not really the Canaanites are still the enemies of the Jewish people. And by the torah the Canaanites where grandsons of Noah. The Canaanites didn't believe the Torah. They had multiple deities even.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@DeWayfarer The Pharissees and the Sadducees didn't like each other although they were all Jews. Lots of current Jewish demoninations hate each other. Various Islamic branches hate each other and so do Christians. But all of them are Jews by religion bcause they believe in the Jewish religious fairytale.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@Diotrephes not the Canaanites! And they are blood relatives even by the Torah!
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
Actually, it had long been held that the phrase in our constitution, "Congress shall make no law..." applies to federal, state, and local governments. This is established law.

The question is whether a law that authorizes but does not fund the display in schools of historical documents with religious connections is allowed.

How far do we go with this? Are we allowed to study the Magna Carta?

I'm of two minds here. The Ten Commandments are "scripture" to all three major Abrahamic faiths (Judaism, Christianity, & Islam) but, as the article states, the are greatly varying translations. But does posting them create an "establishment" of religion? What if they were posted alongside other historical texts with religious connections?

Schools are for learning, not for endorsing one philosophy over another.

Much to think about...
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@DeWayfarer I'm not sure what you are saying "no" to. I stand by the statement that the party is "Less conservative in some ways and more conservative in others."
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@sarabee1995 I thought you were talking about Ross Perot.

Yet it doesn't matter because even though Ross Perot ran as a independent, he wanted to run as Republican but couldn't. Even the Republican party wouldn't have him.

The Republican party has changed that much, because here is his Doppelganger running as a Republican president for a second term.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@DeWayfarer Sorry, I'm not commenting on the current presidential contest. I'm out.
Broache73 · 46-50, F
Terrific!!! We never shouldve taken away the 10 Commandments in the first place...

If we'd never taken down the 10 Commandments in the first place, Parents would actually bear responsibility for raising the children they themselves chose to bring into the world to start with. Parents would actually have the responsibility for teaching the children they themselves chose to have Right from Wrong before they start School to begin with. Teachers and Administrators would bear responsibility for actually doing their Jobs they chose to get a Degree in such as Child Development and School Administration. Most importantly, Academic Excellence would be expected and not the exception. We as an American Society would actually place a very high value on Education and the Educational Institutions and treat them as such, instead of Glorified Babysitting.

The 10 Commandments likely would've prevented the Tragedy, and Madness of recent decades. When you take Morality and Integrity out of our Schools, its no surprise that you beget Violence and Decline. Then we express so much shock when we're bloodying the hallways and classrooms with the blood of our children.

Of course, the 10 Commandments being displayed is ironically hypocritical (speaking charitably) when the same Political Indentured Reprobates on Capitol Hill and State Capitols believe they're Gods unto themselves and have the right to rule over the American Public and Foreign Nationals. Over half them couldn't govern their own backsides..
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@Broache73 you CAN'T have that. It's why there's a constitution!

We separated from England because of that!
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@Broache73 No, they definitely don't say anything about Academic Excellence 🤔
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Broache73
Terrific!!! We never shouldve taken away the 10 Commandments in the first place...

If we'd never taken down the 10 Commandments in the first place,

You don't even know what the real Ten Commandments are. If you did I doubt you would want them posted all over the place.
Crazywaterspring · 61-69, M
The lawyers will have fun with this one. It's almost like they're aware Christianity is dying and they have to indoctrinate others' kids.
James25 · 61-69, M
@Crazywaterspring a last ditch effort to control the minds of our youth
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Crazywaterspring
The lawyers will have fun with this one. It's almost like they're aware Christianity is dying and they have to indoctrinate others' kids.

Christians are just Jews by religion. They are the largest branch of Judaism which is why they constantly push the Jewish religion fairytale 24/7/365.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@Diotrephes I could go further. The torah is a Islamic holy book as well. So it's all Abrahamic religions! They only add to it! Abraham was a Islamic prophet and every Jewish prophet before Abraham was as well including Adam!
If your version of Christianity wants to put the Ten Commandments in schools but take free lunch out of them, you are worshiping something other than Jesus.
— Pastor Zach W. Lambert on Reddit & Twitter
@sunsporter1649 DEAD WRONG, IJIT!!!

As I said, I am FINE with the 10 commandments in a school room, AS LONG AS Muslims and Jews and Buddhists and Hindus and Taoists and Zoroastrians and Pagans and Pastafarians and all the other recognized religions are ALSO allowed to post excerpts from their 'sacred texts' in school rooms.

What I oppose is BLOCKING 99 religions while allowing one into the school room. That goes against the First Amendment, hence my opposition.

BTW, since you called me a "Marxist," can you please define that term for the edification of us all??
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@ElwoodBlues You mean common sense rules for civilized behavior are to be eliminated from eddukation?
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@ElwoodBlues careful with the wording please!
Article VI, Clause 2 (the "supremacy clause") applies the Constitution to the states. So Louisiana cannot have an "establishment of religion."

Louisiana's governor is well aware that posting the Ten Commandments in a public school violates the First Amendment. He's even said "bring on the lawsuits." He's hoping that the current Supreme Court will rule in his favor, based on the "historical" importance of Christianity or some nonsense about how nobody is forcing kids to read it or even look at it. I can see the whore Clarence Thomas bloviating about how if some kid brings a Bible to school and reads it at lunch, that doesn't violate the First Amendment if another kid happens to walk by and see something on an open page.

However, the court seems less willing to kowtow to Thomas, in the recent Rahimi decision affirming that it's legal to prevent domestic abusers from owning guns, partially reversing the earlier Bruen decision. And before that, the court voted unanimously to deny standing to the fake doctor's group that claimed mifepristone must be outlawed because they might possibly one day have to treat a woman who had complications from a medication abortion.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@LeopoldBloom I have said it below many times now!

This SCOTUS doesn't care about previous precedence nor other interpretations.

They have over turned previous precedence and have their own way of interrupting the constitution.

They have over ruled 50 years of precedences in just one law! Just to get their way!

Likely they will have to go through each and every case over that 50 years that they have overruled in one swoop!

It will take decades!

In the meantime they get what they wanted all along!

States are already making their own laws against the constitution. To be tried in the supreme court later! It takes time for even the states to come up with new laws as it is.

Now the States courts can over rule these insanity laws. That doesn't prevent them from being passed onward.

You're nit picking on past interpretations and not looking at the over all picture!

Personally I think the SCOTUS should be impeached for what they did. That's not going to happen in a divided Congress. Half which is all for this constitutional usurpation.

They want a Republic. Not a democracy! They want to control people, not give people rights! Hence the push on States rights, by the states themselves! This is their opportunity!

Article VI, Clause 2 was usurped when Roe v Wade was overturned!
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@LeopoldBloom I'll drink champange and dance in the street if Uncle Tom croaks before I do.
Briggett · T
When that first boat arrived on the shores of the western hemisphere; someone blatantly forgot or had no intention of either believing in the Ten Commandments or the golden rule.
Now we want kids and young people follow ten rules that adults can’t even comprehend or even begin live up. Its starts at the top, leading by example, if you’re going to play the game.
Tall is cheap walk the walk and talk the talk. If the past is any indication of the future. All I can say is that, I’m very skeptical of anything changing except more greed, death, and destruction. It’s been the pattern now, for about the last 500 years, from people who have ought to have known better from the beginning.
Briggett · T
@sunsporter1649 sell your argument to someone else who will buy into. I said what I said and I done with flogging a dead horse.
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DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
[@ sunsporter1649] that's it guy! Bye!

I will not have others calling names! You have been warned multiple times.
James25 · 61-69, M
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I don't mind if they put up one commandment thou shalt keep thy religion to thyself
Briggett · T
It’s all about the 7 mountains project, aka 2025 if you have not been paying attention. A very interesting piece of work in progress.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@sunsporter1649 you support not following them! Expected!
Patriot96 · 56-60, C
@DeWayfarer Did the little wokie get all butt hurt by the meany
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@Patriot96 he blocked me! 🤷🏻‍♂️
Neoerectus · M
States reserved Rights are AFTER those enumerated in The Constitution. The Amendments count, so the Bill of Rights have precedence...i.e. freedom of religion.

Therefore if 10 Commandments arrive, the Church of Satan, Atheist Church, Hindus, Bhuddists, etc. can insist on theirs as well.

Madalyn Murray O'Hair fought this battle with the help of the ACLU before in the 60's and won.
Neoerectus · M
@DeWayfarer We did NOT start democratic... white, male, landed only voted at first. Elitist, basically
Neoerectus · M
@DeWayfarer "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people"
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@Neoerectus we never have been! The electoral college CERTAINLY isn't democratic!
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
MAGA "Christians" at it again. Wonder how they;d feel if teachers posted the commandments in the original Hebrew -- or Aramaic? Or posted the 600 commandments that follow in the Old Testament?
Just a minor point.

Landry did not actually "sign this bill into law," as much as he declined to veto it, even though he's now bragging about wasting taxpayer money fighting for it. No one who has ever worked with him likes Landry, including Louisiana legislators using the same tactics in terms of pandering to right wing Protestants, and even most of the elected judges in Louisiana Courts.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@MistyCee sorry for the delay. No notification for some unknown reason.

We'll see how this works out on the state constitutional level. I'm not certain it will pass there.
@DeWayfarer It'll be interesting. It's the same language with an establishment and free excercise clause. The ACLU might draw a "good judge" at the district court level in State Court, but my guess is, it'll eventually get upheld by the US Fifth and wait for SCOTUS to reverse precedent with a wacky Originalist argument. The religious politics should be interesting, but the one thing I'm sure of is that this is a waste of money that Louisiana shouldn't be spending.
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SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
Isn't the more pertinent question whether or not this infringes upon the freedom of professional teachers to do their job without political or religious interference?

It sounds a hideous waste of public funds, not to mention precious classroom wall space which could be used more profitably to display childrens' art and other school work.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@SunshineGirl while I would agree with you on the professional point, to be unbiased I must point out the funding in that article says it's coming from donations.

It's not the funding I have issues with.
paulio · M
i went to a religious school, where we prayed and everybody belived god made the orldin 7 days, i spent my time chasing girls and getting drunk
Penny · 46-50, F
they should reinstate the pledge of allegiance instead
Patriot96 · 56-60, C
@Penny we did prayers and pledge
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@Penny Did ANYONE as a kid actually take that seriously? I grew up having to recite that every day and never gave it a thought beyond knowing it was something I was forced to do. At least with the mandatory morning prayer in public school back then I could sit and twiddle my thumbs instead of joining in.
Penny · 46-50, F
@ChipmunkErnie i rememebr it got me wondering who or what this God they were talking about was
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@SunshineGirl So you condone physical violence, except murder, right?
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@sunsporter1649 Of course I don't. I was just trying to understand the implication of the cartoon that the absence of a poster from a classroom has resulted in an increase in violence.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@SunshineGirl Apparently the people of Louisiana disagree with you
Lonewolf511 · 56-60, M
I have never heard of the 600 commandment of the old testament. I do know that there was a lot of formality with regards to daily sacrifices. Please tell me more.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@Lonewolf511 he was referring to the Torah!

He won't even see your comment btw! You haven't tagged him.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@Lonewolf511 Just look in the Old Testament -- following the first ten there is a list of 600 or so other rules or commandments dealing with all kinds of things, including when it's okay to kill people, etc.

 
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