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Is Britain a managed democracy?

If leftwing people are not allowed any part in the body politics, then I really think it is.

Diane Abbott, Britain's first black female member of parliament alleges that she is being banned from standing as an MP.. The original justification for her suspension was not nothing. She sent in email form the first draft of an article to a newspaper that said Jewish people could experience prejudice but not racism. I don't agree with this at all and she has since apologised but the real reason that she is being forced out is that she is on the left of the Labour Party.

This is the most high profile example of an ongoing purge by Keir Starmer and his people to remove anyone to the left of say - Tony Blair - from being a Labour representative. Left candidates have been barred from standing and existing MPs deselected. Jamie Driscoll was removed as Tyneside mayoral candidate and the leader of Compass was suspended from the party. Breaking news is that Faiza Shaheen has been removed as MP candidate for liking a tweet saying Israel committed genocide and Lloyd russell-moyle has been barred from standing due to an eight year old accusation. Other examples are too numerous to mention though the pattern is clear.

When the Romans sacked Carthage, the killed everyone they could find, burned every building and sewed salt into the earth so nothing could ever be grown again. Under cover of media underreporting, Starmer and the labour right has should the same level of professional diligence.

What goes on within the Labour Party does impact the country. The purging of corbynite (and parts of the soft left) goes in tandem with a rightward policy shift that forecloses the possibility of any change from the post thatcher economic consensus. Accept Tory tax spending and borrowing plans. Natalie Elfick is welcome in the Labour Party but not Diane Abbott.

"Things can only get better," people say, knowing echoing the D-Ream song and 97 anthem. But things can't and that is the point of all of this. The Blair government presided over a period of economic growth and though (I can heavily critique their record) they were able to do some good without rocking the boar. Now, we have an incoming government that accepts Tory economic orthodoxy in a time of economic turmoil. The rich will be protected, as will the upper middle class but everyone else will see zero benefits. This will be like the experience of the Cameron and Osborne government. What are you going to do, vote Tory? That is the choice: there isn't one. The tie changed colour but the outcome is the same.
Richard65 · M Best Comment
I voted for Corbyn and Wes Streeting has said he doesn't want people like me being associated with the Labour Party, which is fine by me (please let me know if you spot anything resembling a Labour Party). I informed my union that my contributions are not to be allocated to Labour (it's very telling that unions now give you the choice to opt out!) The country is predominantly conservative (small "c") whilst determinedly supporting the NHS, which demonstrates the cognitive dissonance of the electorate. They're also easily manipulated if the media panders to their inherent prejudices. There's nothing left to hope for, even when Labour wins and Starmer becomes PM. As The Who sang, "meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

ArtieKat · M
@Burnley123 As you know, I've always respected your principled stance, although disagreeing with your fundamental beliefs. The dilemma for the Labour Party is that the majority of Britons don't want a socialist government. Starmer has recognised this in the way that Blair did - I was full of optimism when John Smith died and Blair was elected leader: someone only 2 months older than me was going to be prime minister..... . And we all know the adage "Power corrupts.." Starmer is hungry for power - at any cost: to make Labour electable. That is the reality, and no matter how many Student Union Debating Society motions are put, the Left are not appealing to the aspirational hoi polloi
Philth · 46-50, M
@ArtieKat Is it really so that the majority of Britons don't want a socialist government, or is it that the moment that any true socialist within the party raises their head, the Rightwing-controlled media machine goes on on full attack to demonise and discredit that person... I recall a really telling series of TV interviews where people were firstly asked what they thought of Corbyn (answers, don't like him at all) but THEN were asked, what sort of policies they sought from a government. "Do you know whose policies must closely represent what you wish for? Corbyn's." invariably followed with the response "but I just don't like him" or bullshit like "he doesn't have the right charisma" - what, like serial liar and general fuckwit Boris, did have?

In a nutshell until there's proper controls on our media or until the masses learn to ignore it, the British Establishment will ensure that any party with true progressive socialist policies will fail - and I'd place money that Stamer's purges are either to protect his party from such enemy fire, or are under the direct instruction from Great Uncle Rupert.
ArtieKat · M
@Philth You are entitled to your opinion about the amount of influence that traditional media have over people's electoral choices. I personally give them more credit than that
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Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
The Labour Party has always had it's share of 'out there' characters.
Those who make statements that get many potential voters rolling their eyes and asking....why ?

It's just that we 'accept' the Boris's of the Tory world as 'understandable' but dread the thought of another Livingstone; Hatton; et al era knowing that the next period of government isn't going to be one where you can throw money at problems; have 'beer and sandwiches' meetings to avert potential strike action as the economy tanks as per the latter days of the Callaghan government of the late 70's.

And most of us lived through the aftermath of all that.

So on one hand you can see where Starmer is coming from.
But I don't think Abbot and the current crop of representatives are any worse than the average Labour supporter.

What Abbot did was stupid. End of argument.
I'm sure the sentiment came from the right place but the execution was bound to end badly.
Corbin has mellowed somewhat from his 'firebrand' days but he admits his outlook hasn't changed.
Nor should it !
If we want representatives to be true to their beliefs.

Let the public decide
SW-User
@Picklebobble2 At least the Starmer government will have real women in it. And perhaps a litlle talent too. Maybe even a few people who care for others.

A fresh set of eyes looking at the problems too.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@SW-User @Picklebobble2 A fresh pair of eyes doing the same thing.

People don't really care about the internal divisions in the labour party or get why this matters. Corbynistas, like myself, are depicted as ideologues and without pragmatism.

I think people are going to have to experience a Starmer government for themselves before they realise.
MartinII · 70-79, M
One would hope that any party leader would refuse to accept a candidate who endorsed lies. But that apart, I think there is a lot in what you say. What interests me most is what the electoral impact of Starmer's stance will be. Maybe it will make it easier for former Conservative voters to vote Labour, though I rather doubt that. But what will the left do - hold their noses and vote Labour anyway?
MartinII · 70-79, M
@Burnley123 If you are right that a lot will not vote, things might be closer than everyone thinks.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@MartinII I still think that the Tories are screwed. Starmer's strategy will work with floating voters and centre left people will buy in just enough.

The rightwing vote will be low and will split with reform. I still think labour will win by ten or twelve and rishi goes off to his nice job in California.
MartinII · 70-79, M
@Burnley123 I agree, I just think the majority may be smaller than some people think. And I hope you are right!
Morvoren · F
You might have made a point if you hadn’t tragically decided to use Diane Abbott as an example. There are plenty of reasons why she shouldn’t have a seat.
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Starnners dilemma is solved :

Diane Abbott should stand in Dover
Natalie Elphicke should stand in Tower Hamlets.
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Shadyglow · F
America is a managed fake democracy and a covert real dictatorship
Managed, yes, democracy, no.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Roundandroundwego It's kind of what I was getting at. Sigh.
I'm still hoping that the tactical vote goes down as anticipated and we get a Lib Dem opposition instead of a Tory one.

I want to see them slapped down so far that it takes at least a couple of decades for them to recover.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
To be precise . . they are purging left wing candidates who have been careless with their social media accounts.

I honestly do not know what type of government the Labour Party will form. The tragedy is that the Tories are so weak that they cannot put out a consistent message or vision of their own. Labour has not had to do anything beyond make general and fuzzy pledges. People are reading into these what they want. Many people may be about to vote in a government with no clear manifesto and therefore no real mandate.
Richard65 · M
@SunshineGirl agreed, but it's pretty telling that left wing Labour members can be suspended for liking a tweet from ten years ago, but Starmer himself can say on a BBC news interview a month or so ago that he agrees that Israel can be allowed to commit war crimes, and nothing happens to him.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@SunshineGirl Faiza Shaheen liked a series of tweets over the last decade.

Two were liking green party posts before she was a member. One was a John Stewart video linked to a tweet which talked about the Israeli Lobby. Not the Jewish Lobby, Israeli Lobby.

Shaheen did apologise for the latter tweet but said that she wasn't even aware it was linked to the video. She shouldn't even have had to apologise.

She was breaking down in tears on her news night video. Understandably so: she's effectively been campaigning in chingford for five years. She is from the area, a strong candidate and lost only narrowly in the 2019 election to Iain Duncan Smith. She was set to win. Now, I honestly think that the Tories will win because her massive campaigning operation will reduced to almost nothing.

This is not careless. It's using full time staffers at Starmer's office or (pro Zionist) jlm to comb through someone's entire social media history to find any reason (however tenuous) to kick them out of the party for factional reasons.

The candidate for Barking made a joke about sheckles in public and was allowed to stand after apologising. The Starner office even tried to keep the Rochdale candidate when he was caught talking about Jews controling Britain. Both were Starmer loyalists.

There is no transparency or consistency with the process and that that is the whole point.

Also, Lloyd-Russell-Moyle and Diane Abbott are existing MPs and not candidates. Most left candidates have just been frozen out of selection lists many months ago.

I get that people see this as 'insude baseball' but the composition of the government benches really does matter. Starmer will have a big majority staffed with yesmen.. He will be free to carry out an austerity agenda, without parliamentary resistance.
@SunshineGirl not tragic at all that the tories are weak. i'd feel more optimistic if that party just disappeared entirely and didnt come back.
Sounds about right. We have basically the same system in Canada and my country jailed the first Marxist MP elected in North America so they could not take their place in Parliament.
Oh boy- you view Corbyn as soft left? 😵‍💫
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@BritishFailedAesthetic lol.

No. Lolz

Neil Lawson, Lloyd russell-moyle and Jamie Driscoll

 
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