@Burnley123

[quote]Again, name one political movement that was ethically perfect and didn't have some bad people who attached themselves to it. [/quote]

There are none that are perfect. That’s why I didn’t answer until now. So because of that, why get pressed when someone criticizes the pro-Palestinian movement?

@Puppycat23 Thank you for finally acknowledging that. I rest my case.

@Burnley123 Well then there was nothing wrong with criticizing the Pro-Palestinian movement for having a few bad apples that should be addressed. So your complaining was a waste of time. Lol

Oh look, a nazi shows themselves

@dancingtongue agreed

@BohemianBoo I have sympathy, because many of these folks are just trying to go about their lives and some have had very hateful things thrown at them. Where I start to have problems is to then label the whole movement as some kind of antisemitic hate rally. Suppose a black person gets called hateful things on the way to his/her job by white people for no other reason than skin color. I have sympathy, but I would have a problem if that person then accused all white people as hateful racists.

I don't know how many Jewish students have been harassed, or how many were simply scared because people are standing up to Palestinians. If your mindset is "you can't support palestinians without supporting hamas, therefore you support terrorism and killing Jews, so that I am scared of you and the police need to remove you", then I think that person needs to find a good therapist.

But there have been legitimate cases of pure hate. Unfortunately, us bystanders relying on media have no idea how common they are. If ADL simply equates someone saying "from the river to the sea" as antisemitic - then it is pretty obvious that you arent going to get a realistic idea of how significant the problem is.

As for that phrase - I personally would not use it because at this point its purpose is to piss off the other side and may be doing your side more harm than good. But the Jewish people offended by such phrase would do well to learn that Palestinians [i]also[/i] are offended by that phrase when spoken by Israelis - and it has, from Israel's inception to modern day. What does Israel mean when they use that phrase? Well, when Netanyahu holds up a map with no distinction between Israel and the West bank, that seems to imply that they believe all land from the river to the sea and from Egypt to Lebanon is a Jewish state. They just havent completed their goal yet. If they can't see how that would be offensive to Palestinians, then they really have little legitimate complaint about it being offensive to them.

@trollslayer [quote] Suppose a black person gets called hateful things on the way to his/her job by white people for no other reason than skin color. I have sympathy, but I would have a problem if that person then accused all white people as hateful racists.[/quote]

Sure, but we're talking about Jews who think the act of protesting Israel in itself is racist. Like I said, I have sympathy for Jews who feel uneasy when people use slogans that are also used by Hamas. And of course, I would oppose people protesting by using swastikas or some stupid shit like that. But I can't take people seriously when they equate opposition to Israel's genocide with racism against Jews.

[quote]But there have been legitimate cases of pure hate. Unfortunately, us bystanders relying on media have no idea how common they are. [/quote]

So here's one way you can tell. If the media has a narrative that they are unable to back up with evidence, so they resort to blatant lies, you know their narrative is bullshit.

For example...

[media=https://youtu.be/3QArBAQokMc]

If attacks on Jews were common, there would be tons of video evidence by this point. But there isn't, so the media is resorting to this. It's like how right-wing media is trying to construct a narrative that trans people are more likely to be school-shooters. But because the evidence isn't there, they've had to take cases with a cis shooter and lie about them being trans.

@TheRascallyOne [quote]So I don't really see the similarities here but yeah, this is a f****** school.This isn't your mother's house.There should be arrests made if you're trying to distrupt people from getting their education.[/quote]

What's more educational than learning how to stand-up for what's right even when being oppressed?

@Diotrephes "stand-up for what's right" with your vote on your own time

@Diotrephes [quote]What's more educational than learning how to stand-up for what's right even when being oppressed?[/quote]

Boomers: Rotten, uneducated, spoiled kids these days! They don't care about anything!

Kids: Stop genocide!

Boomers: [b][i]Not like that![/i][/b]

@pdqsailor1 You are not alone ❤️

@Diotrephes I'm quite familiar with sundown laws, Green Books, gated communities, ad infinitium but the topic was national borders and checkpoints on those borders.

@dancingtongue You wrote - [quote]What about equality, all lands for all people? Oh right, the gated community said no, and you choose to put up walls and endless wars on every border. No hope. Nobody can hope for peace with such genius around.[/quote]

I gave examples of gated communities and towns in Ameria that had ptrolled border to keep ut "undesireables."

You then changed to focus to - [quote]I'm quite familiar with sundown laws, Green Books, gated communities, ad infinitium but the topic was national borders and checkpoints on those borders.[/quote]

In effect, all of those sundown towns in America were little nations that had their own immigration laws. Therefore, my comment is germane to the discussion because of the way you phrased your comment.

@Diotrephes Your first quote is not from me. @Roundandroundwego then talked about borders, checkpoints, and war -- all terms used in references to countries. Not city limits, not gated communities.

@pdqsailor1 well said. Eratz Israel

@trollslayer

[quote]then it is fair to call out the troublemakers in the IDF and Israeli government and want something done to silence them.[/quote]

And you don’t think that’s been happening?

@Puppycat23 it has. And those people are being labeled as antisemites or jew haters, such as in your initial post.

@jshm2 GTFO my thread.