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Regarding the protests on U.S. colleges and universities nationwide, there are two things Pro-Palestinian activists can do

1. Stop proving the point people have that antisemitism is a problem within the movement. And yes I know that there are Jewish students in the Pro-Palestinian movement showing their solidarity for Gaza who say they haven't been mistreated but that doesn't make the situation any better. From students or even non students (as their faces are hidden), threatening Jewish students with many more October 7ths while ironically calling them "Nazi B*tches", to them being ridiculed, harassed, and even blamed for a war/conflict they have no control over that's in the middle east, students who are apart of the Pro-Palestinian movement should reflect on if antisemitism is something they truly support and excluding those who go out of their way to target their Jewish peers.

2. Realize that sympathizing with Hamas gets them nowhere. Whether you accept it or not, what Hamas did was horrific, how Hamas treats its own civilians is horrific, from some of these activists chanting "Hamas We love you. We support your rockets to" or yelling "We are all Hamas" to passerbys doesn't help their cause. It's a question of, do you want Palestine to truly be free or do you want Hamas to continue being a nuance?
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
This is a total masterclass of the cherry picker logical fallacy.

Pick the worse examples of behaviour that can be found and make it representative of an entire movement.

Meanwhile, actual genocide and ethnic cleansing is going on. The people doing that are no doubt happy with the likes of yourself.
Puppycat23 · F
@Burnley123

Again, name one political movement that was ethically perfect and didn't have some bad people who attached themselves to it.

There are none that are perfect. That’s why I didn’t answer until now. So because of that, why get pressed when someone criticizes the pro-Palestinian movement?
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Puppycat23 Thank you for finally acknowledging that. I rest my case.
Puppycat23 · F
@Burnley123 Well then there was nothing wrong with criticizing the Pro-Palestinian movement for having a few bad apples that should be addressed. So your complaining was a waste of time. Lol
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
I agree with your points that glorifying Hamas for its brutal Oct 7 attack largely on civilians, and its history of indiscriminate missile attacks on civilian communities, serves no purpose other than provide fodder for the pro-Israel defenders. But characterizing it as antisemitism is just as misleading and dysfunctional, imho. It's not racial, as they are both semitic people. And while religious differences may be at the root, they are both Abrahamic religions tracing their religions back to the same founders. The real issues are the brutal Israeli blockading of the Gaza strip for years (allegedly to stop armament shipments but also keeping out food and supplies for the civilian economy that only breeds support for Hamas) in addition to Israel's resistance to ever reaching agreement on a true one-state democracy as the UN declaration intended or the two-state solution with a Palestinian state in the occupied territories that Israel keeps building Jewish settlements in. Those are secular, national issues. To cloak it under antisemitism is as misleading as the Nazi's cloaking the Holocaust under some idea of racial evolution and superiority, imho, and only serves to keep the conflicts going ad nauseum. From both sides. They both need to be taken out behind the woodshed like two squabbling brats rather than having yet more firepower given to each by the nations that created the mess in the first place.
Oh look, a nazi shows themselves
trollslayer · 46-50, M
1) There is little to no actual racism or violence against Jews in the movement. The media just keeps saying there is, in order to avoid talking about the genocide.

2) Nobody is defending Hamas.
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trollslayer · 46-50, M
@BohemianBabe I have sympathy, because many of these folks are just trying to go about their lives and some have had very hateful things thrown at them. Where I start to have problems is to then label the whole movement as some kind of antisemitic hate rally. Suppose a black person gets called hateful things on the way to his/her job by white people for no other reason than skin color. I have sympathy, but I would have a problem if that person then accused all white people as hateful racists.

I don't know how many Jewish students have been harassed, or how many were simply scared because people are standing up to Palestinians. If your mindset is "you can't support palestinians without supporting hamas, therefore you support terrorism and killing Jews, so that I am scared of you and the police need to remove you", then I think that person needs to find a good therapist.

But there have been legitimate cases of pure hate. Unfortunately, us bystanders relying on media have no idea how common they are. If ADL simply equates someone saying "from the river to the sea" as antisemitic - then it is pretty obvious that you arent going to get a realistic idea of how significant the problem is.

As for that phrase - I personally would not use it because at this point its purpose is to piss off the other side and may be doing your side more harm than good. But the Jewish people offended by such phrase would do well to learn that Palestinians also are offended by that phrase when spoken by Israelis - and it has, from Israel's inception to modern day. What does Israel mean when they use that phrase? Well, when Netanyahu holds up a map with no distinction between Israel and the West bank, that seems to imply that they believe all land from the river to the sea and from Egypt to Lebanon is a Jewish state. They just havent completed their goal yet. If they can't see how that would be offensive to Palestinians, then they really have little legitimate complaint about it being offensive to them.
@trollslayer
Suppose a black person gets called hateful things on the way to his/her job by white people for no other reason than skin color. I have sympathy, but I would have a problem if that person then accused all white people as hateful racists.

Sure, but we're talking about Jews who think the act of protesting Israel in itself is racist. Like I said, I have sympathy for Jews who feel uneasy when people use slogans that are also used by Hamas. And of course, I would oppose people protesting by using swastikas or some stupid shit like that. But I can't take people seriously when they equate opposition to Israel's genocide with racism against Jews.

But there have been legitimate cases of pure hate. Unfortunately, us bystanders relying on media have no idea how common they are.

So here's one way you can tell. If the media has a narrative that they are unable to back up with evidence, so they resort to blatant lies, you know their narrative is bullshit.

For example...

[media=https://youtu.be/3QArBAQokMc]

If attacks on Jews were common, there would be tons of video evidence by this point. But there isn't, so the media is resorting to this. It's like how right-wing media is trying to construct a narrative that trans people are more likely to be school-shooters. But because the evidence isn't there, they've had to take cases with a cis shooter and lie about them being trans.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
What's your ideal outcome from all of this?

What do you think will bring about that outcome?

Cause I'm not sure what you're trying to do here.
TheRascallyOne · 31-35, M
Truth of the matter is college tudents are spoiled children. They act like children and they should be treated like children
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@TheRascallyOne
So I don't really see the similarities here but yeah, this is a f****** school.This isn't your mother's house.There should be arrests made if you're trying to distrupt people from getting their education.

What's more educational than learning how to stand-up for what's right even when being oppressed?
TheRascallyOne · 31-35, M
@Diotrephes "stand-up for what's right" with your vote on your own time
@Diotrephes
What's more educational than learning how to stand-up for what's right even when being oppressed?

Boomers: Rotten, uneducated, spoiled kids these days! They don't care about anything!

Kids: Stop genocide!

Boomers: Not like that!
helenS · 36-40, F
And yes I know that there are Jewish students in the Pro-Palestinian movement showing their solidarity for Gaza
There have always been Jewish anti-semites. All nations have their anti-semites, why should the Jewish nation be an exception??
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helenS · 36-40, F
@pdqsailor1 You are not alone ❤️
What about equality, all lands for all people? Oh right, the gated community said no, and you choose to put up walls and endless wars on every border. No hope. Nobody can hope for peace with such genius around.
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
@Diotrephes I'm quite familiar with sundown laws, Green Books, gated communities, ad infinitium but the topic was national borders and checkpoints on those borders.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@dancingtongue You wrote -
What about equality, all lands for all people? Oh right, the gated community said no, and you choose to put up walls and endless wars on every border. No hope. Nobody can hope for peace with such genius around.

I gave examples of gated communities and towns in Ameria that had ptrolled border to keep ut "undesireables."

You then changed to focus to -
I'm quite familiar with sundown laws, Green Books, gated communities, ad infinitium but the topic was national borders and checkpoints on those borders.

In effect, all of those sundown towns in America were little nations that had their own immigration laws. Therefore, my comment is germane to the discussion because of the way you phrased your comment.
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
@Diotrephes Your first quote is not from me. @Roundandroundwego then talked about borders, checkpoints, and war -- all terms used in references to countries. Not city limits, not gated communities.
Mmiker · 46-50, M
Great great post. I didn’t see it like this. Wow. How quickly we slip in to society.
Thank you
Zonuss · 41-45, M
This is ridiculous.
No one group is better than the other.
Unity for all. Stop taking sides.
It's time to hand out baseball bats to the local Synagogues where the protests are taking place and let them take care of business.
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AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@pdqsailor1 well said. Eratz Israel
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Puppycat23 · F
@trollslayer

then it is fair to call out the troublemakers in the IDF and Israeli government and want something done to silence them.

And you don’t think that’s been happening?
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@Puppycat23 it has. And those people are being labeled as antisemites or jew haters, such as in your initial post.
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Puppycat23 · F
@jshm2 GTFO my thread.
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