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calicuz · 51-55, M
It could be connected to the killing of those humanitarian workers. On of those killed was an American with Canadian dual citizenship.
Israel does not have the full support of the American people. Any loss of an American life, that is not a member of the armed forces, and no action taken, including military action, will absolutely lose Biden the election.
calicuz · 51-55, M
@trollslayer

Trump has no clue what foreign policy is. 🤷‍♂️
suzie1960 · 61-69, F
@calicuz Israel doesn't even have the support of many Israeliis.
calicuz · 51-55, M
@suzie1960

Exactly, just as neither Biden or Trump have the support of the majority of Americans.

ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
It probably had a bit to do with Biden, but probably just as much with the protests against Netanyahu within Israel itself. Ive seen reports not just on protests, but on young Israelis going to jail rather than answer the draft to join the invasion of Gaza.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@ChipmunkErnie yes, threats of violence and war, not to its existence. With US backing, no external threat would be allowed to wipe israel out.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@trollslayer Not to mention they've been a nuclear power since the 1960s or so. And terrorist attacks, murders, sexual violence, torture, and invasions do tend to make one testy.
PleasurePunch · 100+
@ChipmunkErnie The threat "from without" is FICTION.

GO LEARN SOMETHING FOR CHRISTS SAKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PleasurePunch · 100+
The right "tone" is to STOP THE MASSACRE NOW

How many people here have called Biden daily begging him to STOP THE MASSACRE BY PULLING THE MONEY_PLUG?

Does anyone care about making this unprecedented unmitigated barbaric wanton slaughter of innocents (32000 mow and counting) STOP???? And stopping trying to obliterate that ancient culture/country into DUST?

What an interesting idea now.
suzie1960 · 61-69, F
@PleasurePunch We need to stop supporting Israel. Ending arms exports and imposing trade embargoes would severly impede Israel's attempts to erdicate the Palistinian people.
PleasurePunch · 100+
@suzie1960 like I don't know that?

TELL A THOUSAND and get them to do. the same. Watch an internet news show called "Democracy Now!".
trollslayer · 46-50, M
Reading now, it says no specific "threat" was explicitly made, and that Netanyahu announced the reopening of border crossings during the call. Sounds to me like Netanyahu came into the call fearful of the US (potentially holding military support) and was ready with proposals to placate Biden.

Given Israel's rhetoric the past few months, I seriously doubt they would have opened the border crossings otherwise. Genocide charges? No change. UN Resolution? No change. Recognizing military aid to Israel from US is being scrutinized? "Yeah, we can open another border crossing."
Crazywaterspring · 61-69, M
The only way to control Netanyahu is to cut off money. If Israël were so strong why do they need billions of US taxpayers money?
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@Crazywaterspring well, we need the revenue from selling them bombs and planes.
Crazywaterspring · 61-69, M
@trollslayer Good point for those in that business.
Northwest · M
Both the President and the Sec. of State stated it clearly: we told Netanyahu that if Israel does not do something to stop the massacre, the US position is going to change.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@Northwest i think specifics were left out for a reason.
justanothername · 51-55, M
The threat was that the US would stop providing mislaid to Israel if Israel didn’t allow humanitarian aid through to Gaza.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@justanothername Even if it wasn't explicitly stated by Biden, Netanyahu is well aware of the changing attitude in the USA and knows that is a potential real consequence.
justanothername · 51-55, M
@trollslayer Biden should have upped the ante a while back.
He should have went after Hamas only. Now he's digging a hole. And ut'll never stop.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
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TheBannibalOne · 61-69, M
I have no idea why the taxpayers are paying for it.
What about the open border?
calicuz · 51-55, M
This is the first I've heard.
justanothername · 51-55, M
@calicuz It was in the news earlier today.
calicuz · 51-55, M
@justanothername

I've been at work all day, I'll watch the news after dinner.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
Biden said “c’mon man” and Bibi opened the border. Lol
Maybe they're done.
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trollslayer · 46-50, M
@jshm2 basically, yes.
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