Both sides: Stop for a moment and THINK!

@BohemianBoo No. Everybody knew [i] exactly [/i] what Trump was like even then.
He had spent thirty years cultivating his opinionated stance on a lot of issues and made sure they got media exposure when it suited him to do so.
Yet a majority still preferred to vote for him despite knowing this.

[quote]both prospective candidates for President were so individually appalling[/quote]

I think the politicians we elected are a good reflection of us. They show that we are a horrible people who I have no sympathy for. Republicans are determined to bring this country, and the world, down, and they will. They already have. Look at the state of this planet now. Republican deregulation ignoring climate change and all the rest of the shit they fucked up or ignored caused it. But the good news is, nobody gives a shit! It's the democraps fault! It's God's will. Who cares I'll be dead.. we're fucked. Of that I have no doubt

"People want leadership, Mr. President, and in the absence of genuine leadership, they’ll listen to anyone who steps up to the microphone. They want leadership. They’re so thirsty for it they’ll crawl through the desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there’s no water, they’ll drink the sand.

"Lewis, we’ve had presidents who were beloved who couldn’t find a coherent sentence with two hands and a flashlight. People don’t drink the sand because they’re thirsty. They drink the sand because they don’t know the difference."
[i]American President[/i]

Ummm, thinking yes! Al Gore and GWB, GHB and Dukakis. Nothing really new here, mind neither Gore or Dukakis were really "appalling", they were just unappealing as possible Presidents, GWB and GHB [i]were[/i] appalling. I mean come on, GHB had Dan Quaalude as his VP!

Guess which one I picked?

We have the same problem with choice of Sunak and Starmer in our next general election. They are two cheeks of the same arse. I guess you think similary of Biden and Trump?

I sympathse, We are due for a general election, over here in Britain and the choice between the tories and so-called Labour is minimal. Sunak and Starmer are two cheeks of the same butt.

Populism only ever has one outcome.

Clinton v Trump ?

Short memories some of you have

It's all fake. The president's don't know it tho

I legitimately can't. I remember the debates between Clinton and Bush got kind of out of hand, but nothing like what's going on now.

Politicians are appalling. These two are nothing new or special. I don't put them on pedastals, I view them as tools...not my betters or master.