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whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
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whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@JimboSaturn Is it still that high?? But there again. There arent as many Republicans as there used to be...😷
KunsanVeteran · 61-69, M
@whowasthatmaskedman Those that took his advise and injected themselves with bleach aren’t around anymore….
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@KunsanVeteran We are fortunate that so few people followed that logic...😷
beckyromero · 36-40, F
I would love to see U.S. Supreme Court uphold the barring of Trump as a candidate or holding any office of the United States.
It's the 14th Amendment's wording that would be at the center of it all.
[quote]
Section 3
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.[/quote]
Trump would argue that there hasn't been an "insurrection or rebellion" because no one has been charged with that crime.
On the other hand, four members of the Proud Boys were found guilty of seditious conspiracy for their actions before and during the breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. And that a seditious conspiracy to prevent the peaceful transfer of power is not different than an insurrection.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/jury-convicts-four-leaders-proud-boys-seditious-conspiracy-related-us-capitol-breach
Trump certainly sent them signals.
[media=https://youtu.be/qIHhB1ZMV_o]
It's the 14th Amendment's wording that would be at the center of it all.
[quote]
Section 3
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.[/quote]
Trump would argue that there hasn't been an "insurrection or rebellion" because no one has been charged with that crime.
On the other hand, four members of the Proud Boys were found guilty of seditious conspiracy for their actions before and during the breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. And that a seditious conspiracy to prevent the peaceful transfer of power is not different than an insurrection.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/jury-convicts-four-leaders-proud-boys-seditious-conspiracy-related-us-capitol-breach
Trump certainly sent them signals.
[media=https://youtu.be/qIHhB1ZMV_o]
calicuz · 51-55, M
@beckyromero
Yes, it's all in the wording, and I believe we should let the Supreme Court rule on the translation of that Amendment.
The question though, is technically, he was never on the grounds of the Capitol, so the Supreme Court would have to rule on whether "inciting" is the same as "engaging in."
Yes, it's all in the wording, and I believe we should let the Supreme Court rule on the translation of that Amendment.
The question though, is technically, he was never on the grounds of the Capitol, so the Supreme Court would have to rule on whether "inciting" is the same as "engaging in."
Ontheroad · M
@calicuz Case law and rulings by SCOTUS would seem to favor upholding the case of incitement as a chargeable offense, but only if the incitement brought about substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent.
“The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent.”
“The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent.”
KunsanVeteran · 61-69, M
KunsanVeteran · 61-69, M
Quad Indicted [b]never has and never will win the popular vote.[/b] Each state that removes him from their ballot [b]guarantees [/b]that he will receive none of their Electoral College votes. QI might not be in prison by the election, but every patriotic American owes it to their family, friends, and neighbors to do their part to keep him from ever setting foot in the Oval Office again!
KunsanVeteran · 61-69, M
14th Amendment, paragraph 3 is self actuating and [b]does not require a conviction, impeachment, or act of Congress.[/b]
The Secretaries of State in MI, GA, NV, and PA are discussing this possibility among themselves. Some of the most influential advocates are Republicans—[b]real Republicans (I.e not MAGAs)![/b]
The Secretaries of State in MI, GA, NV, and PA are discussing this possibility among themselves. Some of the most influential advocates are Republicans—[b]real Republicans (I.e not MAGAs)![/b]
Graylight · 51-55, F
@KunsanVeteran Yes, but it will be an unprecedented and extraordinarily polarizing stand for any one state to make, and their interests tend to lay close to home. Of the few blue states out there, you'd need every one of them on board. Or California, which is something Newsome might push..
KunsanVeteran · 61-69, M
@Graylight MI, GA, AZ, and NM State Secretaries of State are talking (led primarily by Sec. Benson at this point) and a GOP minor candidate is filing a case in FL. There is the beginnings of a coordinated effort which ultimately might lead to the SCOTUS. Now is the time to push this effort as it will take time, organization, money, and media support.
But our democracy is at stake.
But our democracy is at stake.
DearAmbellina2113 · 41-45, F
jehova · 31-35, M
BizSuitStacy · M
Oh...playing the "insurrection" angle again. 🤣🤣🤣 The thing that the FBI already testified did [b][i]not[/i][/b] happen. So, yet another hair brained election interference tactic. We'd simply write Trump in. You can't stop the masses from voting for him.
KunsanVeteran · 61-69, M
KunsanVeteran · 61-69, M
@KunsanVeteran Michigan and Florida are also petitioning to keep QI off the primary &general election ballots for “engaging in an insurrection.”
RedBaron · M
But the viability of that has been much discussed and is questionable.
I suggest you look at sources other than those with extreme left- (like MSNBC) or right-leaning biases.
Start with realclearpolitics.com, which brings together sources from across the political spectrum.
On there, you will find pieces like the one you cited balanced by ones like this:
https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4158573-the-disqualification-of-donald-trump-and-other-legal-urban-legends/
To wit, there is no consensus view that January 6th was an insurrection or rebellion as opposed to a protest that became a riot.
Personally, I would be happy to see Trump barred from running, but I’m not sure it’s likely or viable.
But read the above and decide for yourself.
I suggest you look at sources other than those with extreme left- (like MSNBC) or right-leaning biases.
Start with realclearpolitics.com, which brings together sources from across the political spectrum.
On there, you will find pieces like the one you cited balanced by ones like this:
https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4158573-the-disqualification-of-donald-trump-and-other-legal-urban-legends/
To wit, there is no consensus view that January 6th was an insurrection or rebellion as opposed to a protest that became a riot.
Personally, I would be happy to see Trump barred from running, but I’m not sure it’s likely or viable.
But read the above and decide for yourself.
Graylight · 51-55, F
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
If you ever wanted an example of "We can't beat him so don't let him play," it's this. It's also an indication that nobody cares about this as a case of crime but rather just as a tool
KunsanVeteran · 61-69, M
@trollslayer He won’t. That’s why we want Quad Indicted to be the Republican nominee and to endorse a lot of losers like Herschel Walker and Dr Oz to energize that Big Beautiful Blue Wave!
KunsanVeteran · 61-69, M
@Jackaloftheazuresand Nonsense!
KunsanVeteran · 61-69, M
@Jackaloftheazuresand I’d grant you that they are an in exact science. They’re not useless—except, of course, the [b]nonexistent ones Quad Indicted makes up in his delusions [/b]
BizSuitStacy · M
@SheCallsMeCrushDaddy they are terrified.
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@SheCallsMeCrushDaddy Actually most democrats feel that Biden's odds of winning are greater against Trump.
sometimeslonelytoo · 51-55, M
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
No.
eli1601 · 70-79, M
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Graylight · 51-55, F
BigGuy2 · 26-30, M
@Graylight ... i strongly suggest you look up the word 'punctuation' and then LOOK over ALL my responses to you 🙄🙄🙄
🤔 oh right, so why isn't this relevant:
[i]For a start, read again {or if you haven't bothered already} this BELOW, why isn't it relevant:[/i]
[b]Tell me what's wrong with the three below, then i'll work on the other nonsense stuff you've provided[/b]
... here's 3 more 🙄🙄🙄
It is pointless wasting my time proving my facts - as it ALWAYS happens, the response will be "fake facts" or "fake news"
{my last comment even applies to your kind of people who have SOME intelligence, but you've adequately shown by your discussion skills, your IQ is on the very low end of the scale, so i wasn't disappointed/haven't been by ANY of your comments - you've even mentioned 'punctuation' ... 'they' usually use the word 'grammar'} 🙄🙄🙄 ...
[b]Liberal Hivemind in FULL FLOW[/b]
[i]{by the way, look at my use of the hyphen - {also full stops} - and as to WHY i use it a lot, it's in relation to grammar/ punctuation ... i'll let your little Liberal Hivemind brain have a meltdown 1st, then i'll explain} 🤪🤪🤪[/i]
🤔[b][i] ... i'm guessing your head moves from side to side when you read as well...[/i][/b] 🤪🤪🤪
🤔 oh right, so why isn't this relevant:
[i]For a start, read again {or if you haven't bothered already} this BELOW, why isn't it relevant:[/i]
[b]Tell me what's wrong with the three below, then i'll work on the other nonsense stuff you've provided[/b]
... here's 3 more 🙄🙄🙄
It is pointless wasting my time proving my facts - as it ALWAYS happens, the response will be "fake facts" or "fake news"
{my last comment even applies to your kind of people who have SOME intelligence, but you've adequately shown by your discussion skills, your IQ is on the very low end of the scale, so i wasn't disappointed/haven't been by ANY of your comments - you've even mentioned 'punctuation' ... 'they' usually use the word 'grammar'} 🙄🙄🙄 ...
[b]Liberal Hivemind in FULL FLOW[/b]
[i]{by the way, look at my use of the hyphen - {also full stops} - and as to WHY i use it a lot, it's in relation to grammar/ punctuation ... i'll let your little Liberal Hivemind brain have a meltdown 1st, then i'll explain} 🤪🤪🤪[/i]
🤔[b][i] ... i'm guessing your head moves from side to side when you read as well...[/i][/b] 🤪🤪🤪
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