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Does american and imperialism justify Russian and Chinese imperialism.

Atleast the US is a democracy respecting human rights not perfectly but much better than Russia and China while Russia and China are authoritarian states running roughshod over basic democratic freedoms and rights.
In the case of Ukraine, regardless of 'imperialism,' there's a specific treaty Russia violated.

There's a three-way treaty known as the [i]1994 Budapest Memorandum.[/i]

Essentially, Ukraine agreed to give up all its nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for safety from a U.S. or Russian invasion. Russia's invasion of Ukraine violates that treaty. And as a signatory to that 1994 Budapest Memorandum, the U.S. has a definite interest in righting Putin's current wrongs.

[quote]In the final version of the deal, Russia promised not to attack Ukraine. While the U.S. and the U.K. assured Ukraine they would aid if it was attacked by Russia, that promised aid did not guarantee military support like a NATO country would receive.

In 2009, Russia and the U.S. announced that the assurances in the Budapest Memorandum would continue to remain in effect in the future.
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https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/global-conflicts/ukraine-agreed-to-give-up-nukes-in-exchange-for-safety-from-russia-invasion-attack-budapest-memorandum-treaty/536-8748a51f-10ee-47f0-be30-b4088750ee44

Russia promised [i]specifically[/i] NOT to invade Ukraine, and the U.S. promised [i]specifically[/i] to ASSIST Ukraine if the treaty were ever violated. And that's what the U.S. is doing now.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@ElwoodBlues Yup, to hell with American security
Amylynne · 26-30, F
@ElwoodBlues we really loet them down, abrogated our part in that treaty back in 2014
@Amylynne It does seem that way, though I don't know all the details of the treaty. Under its terms do they need to request aid? Did Ukraine's president at the time request aid or was he more of a Putin puppet? I don't know. Also, during the Soviet Union, many Russians had moved to the better climate of Ukraine; those areas occupied in 2014 may have had far more people receptive to occupation, and thus difficult to take back.
All imperialism is bad, but yes, imperialism by a democratic country is less bad.
SW-User
Imperialist proxy wars kill millions of civilians. It doesn't matter how noble you may think the particular puppet-master's aims are.

In either case, no country should be justifying their actions with "well, they do it too!" It doesn't work when a child makes that appeal to their parents and it shouldn't work on the world stage.
Oster1 · M
Have you ever heard of the Minsk Accords? May I suggest some research?
Gloomy · F
I would say economic imperialism is slightly better than military imperialism. When it comes to imperialism none of these countries are good because domestic policies should not influence how we view foreign policies and actions.
Amylynne · 26-30, F
all empires are bad,, all Imperialism is wrong
is the US better than the other two?
[b]marginally. [/b]
@Amylynne that's not always true. A great harbor like Catania was an important hub, many others needed to trade there, each group prospered, they became a huge federation -. No wars.
Amylynne · 26-30, F
@Roundandroundwego a federation is not an empire.
[i]trade does not have to come at the expense of anyone[/i]
trade is a[b] mutually advantageous thing with consent for all parties[/b]

that empires also did trading, does not negate the other things they did
Like the Slave trade
Catania in particular, being located there, has been the local poinr for of empires savaging etch other over that island, greeks, Carthage ( poor carthage) romans, goths, normans Italiain states
all have fought for that ground


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@Amylynne no, but my people, the Catanese, still say that the federation became the first Greek empire. It's true that several empires were at home there at times that didn't have wars.
The famous abuses committed by empires there were many. So were other sorts of times.
No. But really, there's not much Russian or Chinese imperialism compared to that other kind. You don't find their search engine running your mind. That's our uncle Sam.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@Roundandroundwego But you do find Chinese financial institutions owning your infrastructure. Also the West seems to be unaware that Chinese influence in Africa is increasing. Eventually the Chinese will control such a large volume of trade that Western countries will simply not be able to compete. And that will largely be our own fault because we have allowed public policy to be determined by short term commercial interests.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
The US is no longer a democracy and doesn't even pretend to be. Biden did not get 81000000 votes. John Fetterman did not get elected.
Graylight · 51-55, F
So the least bad bad guy wins? There are better ways.
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Amylynne · 26-30, F
@jshm2 [quote]here is no Russian or Chinese "imperialism"[/quote]
tell that to EVERY nation that has fallen to them
the US is hardly any better.

 
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