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PTCdresser57 · 61-69, M
Maybe Harmonium1923...I just remember 2 saying they wouldn't and then they did.
Confined · 56-60, M
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I think most (not all, but a large number ) of people are totally missing what happened ..and why this happened on jan 6.
I am going to try my best to outline the events that day…blast past the commonly held assumptions and get right down to the core corruption.
I will present this as a series of questions and answers.
q1: how do you prevent congress from delaying the certification of state electoral votes?
a: it requires a crisis. A crisis that creates an “emergency”…An “emergency” that invokes special house rules.
facts: remember, carefully…focus please…remember…just moments..literally 3 minutes before two representatives issued a vote for motions to suspend the certification the House members were “informed” by capitol police and other “agents” that a protest was about to breach the chambers. It was at this time that key people: pence, pelosi, schumer, mcconnell can be seen being walked out and escorted from the chamber. This effectively halted the Entire Chamber Process.
q2: why was it necessary to halt the chamber process
a2: the crisis was created to eliminate the motion challenges to halt the certification and to begin voting to look into voting irregularities and fraud
facts: the two motions were completely legal and constitutional under at least two constitutionally recognized procedures…procedures
that would REQUIRE the house to pause the certification and then vote to determine whether the motions of suspend could move forward.
q3: what was so important to refuse this motion and the subsequent votes to suspend the electoral certification
a3: it was important to remove that process entirely and continue the fraud and certify the fraud with no detractors on record. This effectively gives no standing for a scotus ruling appeal! understand this. If those two motions, even just one had successfully been voted EVEN IF THE MOTIONS were DENIED IN VOTE, this gives those who presented them with STANDING FOR A CONSTITUTIONAL LEGAL ARGUMENT BEFORE SCOTUS. Understand this.
q4: could this have been done some other way other than creating a crisis/protest?
a4: unlikely….In order to prevent those two motions, requires that speaker of the house, minority leaders, and the president of the congress (vice president of the united states: pence), to NOT BE PRESENT IN THE CHAMBERS. Once the capitol police and other “law enforcements agents” informed the speaker and these three other individuals, pelosi UNILATERALLY UNDER EMERGENCY RULES, suspended the business of the congress. This protest was necessary ..the crisis was created..because there is no other way to suspend the business of certification UNILATERALLY. By creating a crisis…invokes emergency procedures. No other circumstances other than war or mass simultaneous explosive diaahrea can create such unilateral speaker delivered suspension of the certification.
q5: Why did the motions, once that the speaker RECONVENED congress, move forward back again to the floor for votes? Why were members dissallowed to even consider putting forward ANY motions to the floor in when the chamber business was reopened?
a5: the speaker initiated the NEW sessions under special emergency rules. These rules abandon and make it clear that the ONLY purpose of the new session was to EXPEDITE the certification and dismiss all prior regular session procedural rules. This is why those two motions to table votes to consider a debate and pause to the certifications of state vote electors never happened later that evening when the house business was reconvened!
q6: Other than new rules, emergency rules, what other peculiar things occurred when the speaker reconvened?
a6: members were allowed to “vote” in proxy…remotely…not being present…(you can use your imagination about what conditions were placed on ALL members during this time to prevent anyone from “getting out of line”. Also clearly, it was at THIS NEW SESSION that VP Pence, President of Congress, would also have no ability to even consider pausing the electoral certification…because there was no motions of disagreements on the matter. So in a technical legal claim, he is correct that he had no constitutional authority to address any issues of fraud or doubts about electoral irregularities. But this completely dismisses the FACT that congress created rules in this crisis/emergency that never allowed them to be floored!
understand what happened in jan 6…don’t get hung up on viking impostors, stolen pelosi computers, podium heists, and complicit capitol police.
understand the process and what happened and what WAS NOT ALLOWED TO HAPPEN
.
this was a coup….it was a very organized and carefully planned coup. VP Pence without a doubt as well as most members of the house were quite aware of how the certification was going to be MANAGED.
it would require new rules to prevent the debate clause from occurring!
new rules that ONLY AN EMERGENCY CRISIS COULD CREATE!
so they created an emergency.
noting: I understand why many people have great interest in debunking the j6 event…I get that. I think it is important to dissect and examine the events of that day.
but please…step back and understand WHY these things happened…examine the chain of events in congress…why those two motions that would have at least paused the certification THAT WOULD GIVE VP PENCE THE CONSTITUTIONALLY RECOGNIZED POWER TO MOVE TO SUSPEND THE ELECTORAL CERTIFICATION AND THEN EXAMINE THE IRREGULARITIES AND CLAIMS OF FRAUD!
at the very center of this coup stands Pence…the same individual who also spoiled President Trump’s first opportunities in the earlies hours of his Presidency just 4 years prior, when he created and facilitated the removal of LTGEN Flynn. I will not spend much time on this thread explaining why LTGEN Flynn was so important to President Trump and why the IC was so afraid he would have advisory power to the President. That I will leave for another day, another time. But understand this clearly: MIKE PENCE WAS AND IS WORKING FOR THE MOST CORRUPT CRIMINAL TREASONOUS PEOPLE IN GOVERNMENT.
protip: if you really want to get a true understanding of this matter videos of protesters walking in the capitol is not going to address them. Actual video and time line records of events and the specific actions taken by the speaker just moments before TWO MAJOR ELECTORAL ALTERING MOTIONS WERE ABOUT TO BE FLOORED. This crisis was developed just in time with a precise coordination to prevent those two motions to be entered into the chamber record. The two motions do not exist. The emergency powers established in the new session made sure they never could be entered. The emergency powers could never happen without a crisis…
https://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/an-interesting-comment-from-over-at-conservative-treehouse/
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I think most (not all, but a large number ) of people are totally missing what happened ..and why this happened on jan 6.
I am going to try my best to outline the events that day…blast past the commonly held assumptions and get right down to the core corruption.
I will present this as a series of questions and answers.
q1: how do you prevent congress from delaying the certification of state electoral votes?
a: it requires a crisis. A crisis that creates an “emergency”…An “emergency” that invokes special house rules.
facts: remember, carefully…focus please…remember…just moments..literally 3 minutes before two representatives issued a vote for motions to suspend the certification the House members were “informed” by capitol police and other “agents” that a protest was about to breach the chambers. It was at this time that key people: pence, pelosi, schumer, mcconnell can be seen being walked out and escorted from the chamber. This effectively halted the Entire Chamber Process.
q2: why was it necessary to halt the chamber process
a2: the crisis was created to eliminate the motion challenges to halt the certification and to begin voting to look into voting irregularities and fraud
facts: the two motions were completely legal and constitutional under at least two constitutionally recognized procedures…procedures
that would REQUIRE the house to pause the certification and then vote to determine whether the motions of suspend could move forward.
q3: what was so important to refuse this motion and the subsequent votes to suspend the electoral certification
a3: it was important to remove that process entirely and continue the fraud and certify the fraud with no detractors on record. This effectively gives no standing for a scotus ruling appeal! understand this. If those two motions, even just one had successfully been voted EVEN IF THE MOTIONS were DENIED IN VOTE, this gives those who presented them with STANDING FOR A CONSTITUTIONAL LEGAL ARGUMENT BEFORE SCOTUS. Understand this.
q4: could this have been done some other way other than creating a crisis/protest?
a4: unlikely….In order to prevent those two motions, requires that speaker of the house, minority leaders, and the president of the congress (vice president of the united states: pence), to NOT BE PRESENT IN THE CHAMBERS. Once the capitol police and other “law enforcements agents” informed the speaker and these three other individuals, pelosi UNILATERALLY UNDER EMERGENCY RULES, suspended the business of the congress. This protest was necessary ..the crisis was created..because there is no other way to suspend the business of certification UNILATERALLY. By creating a crisis…invokes emergency procedures. No other circumstances other than war or mass simultaneous explosive diaahrea can create such unilateral speaker delivered suspension of the certification.
q5: Why did the motions, once that the speaker RECONVENED congress, move forward back again to the floor for votes? Why were members dissallowed to even consider putting forward ANY motions to the floor in when the chamber business was reopened?
a5: the speaker initiated the NEW sessions under special emergency rules. These rules abandon and make it clear that the ONLY purpose of the new session was to EXPEDITE the certification and dismiss all prior regular session procedural rules. This is why those two motions to table votes to consider a debate and pause to the certifications of state vote electors never happened later that evening when the house business was reconvened!
q6: Other than new rules, emergency rules, what other peculiar things occurred when the speaker reconvened?
a6: members were allowed to “vote” in proxy…remotely…not being present…(you can use your imagination about what conditions were placed on ALL members during this time to prevent anyone from “getting out of line”. Also clearly, it was at THIS NEW SESSION that VP Pence, President of Congress, would also have no ability to even consider pausing the electoral certification…because there was no motions of disagreements on the matter. So in a technical legal claim, he is correct that he had no constitutional authority to address any issues of fraud or doubts about electoral irregularities. But this completely dismisses the FACT that congress created rules in this crisis/emergency that never allowed them to be floored!
understand what happened in jan 6…don’t get hung up on viking impostors, stolen pelosi computers, podium heists, and complicit capitol police.
understand the process and what happened and what WAS NOT ALLOWED TO HAPPEN
.
this was a coup….it was a very organized and carefully planned coup. VP Pence without a doubt as well as most members of the house were quite aware of how the certification was going to be MANAGED.
it would require new rules to prevent the debate clause from occurring!
new rules that ONLY AN EMERGENCY CRISIS COULD CREATE!
so they created an emergency.
noting: I understand why many people have great interest in debunking the j6 event…I get that. I think it is important to dissect and examine the events of that day.
but please…step back and understand WHY these things happened…examine the chain of events in congress…why those two motions that would have at least paused the certification THAT WOULD GIVE VP PENCE THE CONSTITUTIONALLY RECOGNIZED POWER TO MOVE TO SUSPEND THE ELECTORAL CERTIFICATION AND THEN EXAMINE THE IRREGULARITIES AND CLAIMS OF FRAUD!
at the very center of this coup stands Pence…the same individual who also spoiled President Trump’s first opportunities in the earlies hours of his Presidency just 4 years prior, when he created and facilitated the removal of LTGEN Flynn. I will not spend much time on this thread explaining why LTGEN Flynn was so important to President Trump and why the IC was so afraid he would have advisory power to the President. That I will leave for another day, another time. But understand this clearly: MIKE PENCE WAS AND IS WORKING FOR THE MOST CORRUPT CRIMINAL TREASONOUS PEOPLE IN GOVERNMENT.
protip: if you really want to get a true understanding of this matter videos of protesters walking in the capitol is not going to address them. Actual video and time line records of events and the specific actions taken by the speaker just moments before TWO MAJOR ELECTORAL ALTERING MOTIONS WERE ABOUT TO BE FLOORED. This crisis was developed just in time with a precise coordination to prevent those two motions to be entered into the chamber record. The two motions do not exist. The emergency powers established in the new session made sure they never could be entered. The emergency powers could never happen without a crisis…
https://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/an-interesting-comment-from-over-at-conservative-treehouse/
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Confined I'm not sure if I'm a dumbass by your criteria so can you please answer the question, [quote]if there had been no interference by anyone, who would Congress had certified as the President?
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MasterLee · 56-60, M
Graylight · 51-55, F
[u]Dred Scott v. Sanford (1857):[/u] Hands down the worst Supreme Court decision ever, Dred Scott held that African Americans, whether free men or slaves, could not be considered American citizens. The ruling undid the Missouri Compromise, barred laws that would free slaves, and all but guaranteed that there would be no political solution to slavery. The opinion even included a ridiculous "parade of horribles" that would appear if Scott were recognized as a citizen, unspeakable scenarios like African Americans being able to vacation, hold public meetings, and exercise their free speech rights.
While this ruling was deemed Constitutional (as most of them are), it proved to be a dark ruling for the US.
While this ruling was deemed Constitutional (as most of them are), it proved to be a dark ruling for the US.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@Diotrephes Yes, the SCOTUS at that time rendered a completely constitutionally sound decision in Dredd Scott and so technically, it could be removed from the list of materially poor decisions. Ideologically, though, the current was shifting and rather than ride those rough waters into a new era, it delayed the inevitable and rendered what is still today a morally questionable outcome.
originnone · 61-69, M
@Graylight there really is no debating this....
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Confined [quote]January 6 will be nothing compared to whats coming.[/quote]
We need a good vicious war. How many do you think should be killed, 30 million?
We need a good vicious war. How many do you think should be killed, 30 million?
originnone · 61-69, M
@BlueVeins pretty good one
DragonFruit · 61-69, M
TrashCat · M
[b]Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission [/b]
People talking about RvWade, but because of the Citizens United ruling, dark money was allowed to enter politics. Corporations were allowed to buy elections, peoples voting rights were diminished. Politicians were bought and paid for by the pharma & medical, fossil fuel, banking & insurance, firearm, military, and religious industrial complexes.
People talking about RvWade, but because of the Citizens United ruling, dark money was allowed to enter politics. Corporations were allowed to buy elections, peoples voting rights were diminished. Politicians were bought and paid for by the pharma & medical, fossil fuel, banking & insurance, firearm, military, and religious industrial complexes.
Harmonium1923 · 51-55, M
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Harmonium1923 [quote]I understand your point, but it’s circular thinking. The Supreme Court is the body that decides whether a law is constitutional or not.[/quote]
By definition, everything in the Constitution is constitutional. Under the constitution of the time, Black people has no rights in America. They were not like the Hispanics in the western territories, who were citizens.
By definition, everything in the Constitution is constitutional. Under the constitution of the time, Black people has no rights in America. They were not like the Hispanics in the western territories, who were citizens.
Harmonium1923 · 51-55, M
@Diotrephes You are confusing the Constitution with the manner in which it is interpreted by the courts and especially SCOTUS. There are many, many things that are not stated one way or the other in the Constitution. For instance, the Constitution doesn’t say one way or the other if the death penalty is permissible. It only says that “cruel and unusual punishment” is not—and the Supreme Court has decided at various times, and in different ways over the years, whether the death penalty does or does not constitute cruel and unusual punishment.
It was SCOTUS that ruled, in Dred Scott, that free Blacks were not US citizens, even if they were free, even if they were citizens of the state in which they lived, even if they could vote in that state, etc. The Constitution didn’t say one way or the other. If you are interested in the point I encourage you to read the actual decision.
It was SCOTUS that ruled, in Dred Scott, that free Blacks were not US citizens, even if they were free, even if they were citizens of the state in which they lived, even if they could vote in that state, etc. The Constitution didn’t say one way or the other. If you are interested in the point I encourage you to read the actual decision.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Harmonium1923 In case you missed it, on slaves were allowed to be in Texas and no Blacks of any status were allowed in Oregon and some other states. If Congress was ever unified it could tell the SCOTUS to go F--- itself and that would be it. It did it once when it kicked 10 Confederate States out out the Union because they didn't ratify the 14th Amendment. On March 2, 1867 Congress overrode Johnson's veto and went on to expel 10 confederate states. Congress seldom uses its powers.
BackyardShaman · 61-69, M
windinhishair · 61-69, M
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
Dshhh · M
citizens united
corporate person hood.. further enshrined.. makes money = speech
the first one was
Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Co
where the 14th amendment to end slavery was used to create person hood for corperations
corporate person hood.. further enshrined.. makes money = speech
the first one was
Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Co
where the 14th amendment to end slavery was used to create person hood for corperations
I mean, I don't think we can beat what the early imperialist invading Americans did, unless you're talking about recent times of the modern era
specman · 51-55, M
I know the turn over of roe vs. wade was a positive influence on everybody yeah so no I can’t think of one right off.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
Plessy v Ferguson.
