Vegans are acceptable targets to mock these days but i've a challenge for all the meat eaters here: Watch and tell me it doesn't affect you.
"Most of us consider ourselves animal lovers" It's called Dominion and if you can't invest the 2 hours then just watch the first section on pigs. It's one thing to hear about the bad, mean things that humans do to poor livestock but it's quite another to witness the terror and the pain of the animals as they're suffering slow, horrific deaths. Tell me what you feel watching it. Does it compel you to make different choices? Does it at least make you want to make different choices?
@Pikachu try out for the Olympics if you can make leap like that. Pointing out an advantage does not indicate that is the only reason. Was that too difficult for you to puzzle out?
lol calm down red. You made a flippant remark instead of giving a thoughtful response and i called you out on it. No big deal. We can move forward with the thoughtful part if you feel ready.
First let me ask you, were you up to the challenge i set forth in the OP? If you can't watch the whole 2 hours then just watch the first section about pigs. Tell me if that answers any of your questions about cruelty and we can go from there.
@Pikachu I’m very calm and you haven’t the ability to change that and no I wouldn’t waste time on silly propaganda.
Looked at rationally (try it, you might like it) pigs, chickens, cattle, sheep and turkeys, because they are food for us, exist in far, far greater numbers than those species ever would naturally. You might still find something to complain about but animal husbandry has vastly increased the population of these animals.
Glad to hear it, red. Sounded like you were getting a little worked up there what with the insults and accusations lol
Ok so you don't want to expose yourself to the reality of how animals are processed. That's very common. Not very intellectually honest in my opinion, but very common. People don't want to see how the sausage is made or else they might feel bad about eating it.
Looked at rationally (try it, you might like it) pigs, chickens, cattle, sheep and turkeys, because they are food for us, exist in far, far greater numbers than those species ever would naturally.
So...your rational argument against veganism is that we've created slave races that can live in suffering in greater numbers? lol when you watch the Matrix do you think to yourself "Good for those machines for enslaving and harvesting the human race. We could never exist in such great numbers otherwise"?
To me the crucial ethos of veganism is that you should reduce suffering as much as possible. The fact that we've crammed thousands of birds into one barn where they have had their beaks cut off and their bones break because their growth has been artificially accelerated is not a rationally positive argument simply on the basis that we've increased above natural their population size.
point out the cruelty in an undeniable statement of fact.
It is cruel to cause suffering unnecessarily. Animals are capable of suffering. Therefore it is cruel to cause them to suffer unnecessarily.
I could flesh that out but i'm not sure i want to put in the work for a guy who's not willing to put in a few minutes to watch a bit of film and expose himself to something he doesn't agree with. Let's see if you earn it from me...
