I would’ve thought this guy would’ve been more concerned with what Trudeau is doing to truckers in Canada than obsessing about Trump in America. That appears far more fascist to me
@Mathers So now you don’t wanna talk about Ottawa and all the disinformation you have been spreading? You don’t wanna talk about the armed terrorist in the capital now that I prove that some people were carrying guns. So why would I even want to talk to you any longer?
@soar2newhighs says [quote]having immediate and unobstructed, not time delaying actions, to get to that firearm and protect you, your family and home IS DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR YOUR FAMILY.![/quote]
It seems that way, doesn't it? But it doesn't work out very well in practice.
[sep][sep][sep] * Guns are not used millions of times each year in self-defense * Most purported self-defense gun uses are gun uses in escalating arguments, and are both socially undesirable and illegal * Firearms are used far more often to intimidate than in self-defense * Criminals who are shot are typically the victims of crime https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/ [sep][sep][sep]
Are there "1 to 3 million" defensive gun uses per year in the US?
The "1 to 3 million" figure comes from one "random-digit-dialed telephone survey of 4,977 adults conducted from February through April of 1993" and reported by Kleck & Gertz in 1995. Kleck says the random sampling error of his survey is less than 1%, but if so, that would produce far smaller error bars than 1 to 3 million.
Others have tried to replicate Kleck's data; here's a survey of polling [quote]https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/[/quote] Needless to say, they produce much smaller numbers and likely have their own biases. But here's a useful quote:
[quote]We analyzed data from two national random-digit-dial surveys conducted under the auspices of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center. Criminal court judges who read the self-reported accounts of the purported self-defense gun use rated a majority as being illegal, even assuming that the respondent had a permit to own and to carry a gun, and that the respondent had described the event honestly from his own perspective.[/quote] What they're saying, in not so many words, is that guns are often used to intimidate. The guy who draws the gun may think he's preventing a crime. But putting another person in reasonable fear of bodily harm is the crime of assault (battery is when you make contact with the other person). So they're running these stories by judges, who say that many reported "defensive" gun uses are actually the offensive crime of assault, unknown to the gun user.
They also say "8. Criminals who are shot are typically the victims of crime; 9-10. Few criminals are shot by decent law-abiding citizens." i.e. they say it's almost impossible to find a criminal with a gun wound who was shot by a law abiding citizen.
And finally, [quote]Victims use guns in less than 1% of contact crimes, and women never use guns to protect themselves against sexual assault (in more than 300 cases). Victims using a gun were no less likely to be injured after taking protective action than victims using other forms of protective action. Compared to other protective actions, the National Crime Victimization Surveys provide little evidence that self-defense gun use is uniquely beneficial in reducing the likelihood of injury or property loss.[/quote]
I'm not saying this Harvard data is perfect, but it asks a lot of specific questions about defensive gun use; and the results do tend to completely undermine the Kleck 1993 polling result.
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Here's the peer reviewed report from the two Harvard surveys: [b]https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/6/4/263[/b]
Same author, an analysis of the National Crime Victimization Survey from 2007-2011 covering 14,000 incidents [b]https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0091743515001188[/b] [quote]Results Of over 14,000 incidents in which the victim was present, 127 (0.9%) involved a SDGU. SDGU was more common among males, in rural areas, away from home, against male offenders and against offenders with a gun. After any protective action, 4.2% of victims were injured; after SDGU, 4.1% of victims were injured. In property crimes, 55.9% of victims who took protective action lost property, 38.5 of SDGU victims lost property, and 34.9% of victims who used a weapon other than a gun lost property. Conclusions Compared to other protective actions, the National Crime Victimization Surveys provide little evidence that SDGU is uniquely beneficial in reducing the likelihood of injury or property loss.[/quote] SDGU = self-defense gun use
@windinhishair Not knowing the circumstances, I ask. where did this occur? Were you aware the grandfather had a weapon? I’d think if you didn’t know, and there was no reason to ask, you could not be blamed. Or did you have any inkling that a firearm might be in the house? If you did, were you able to ask the owner if the weapon was in an area where the children could not get to it? How was it your son found it under the bed? Had he prior knowledge from his grandfather, of a weapon and where it was, or was it a fluke that he located it under the bed? Yes, thank God nothing tragic happened.
@soar2newhighs It happened in TN, and I had no idea he had a weapon for protection he kept armed and ready to fire in case someone broke in while he was sleeping. My son also had no idea there was a weapon on the premises, but kids are always exploring, and he found it by pure chance. It was only happenstance that he didn't pull the trigger and kill his sister.
@soar2newhighs Having ten times population in the USA is irrelevant when it comes to percentage of 100,000 people, 🙂
The USA has a higher percent death. I don't like death much! I care about kids. I don't want them to be scared to go to school. I have never had a home invasion, nor my family or friends. I hate guns and I'll just call the police if I hear someone break in, or I'll invite them in for some tea and I'll read them a Bible story and pray for them 🤗. We have to care about people, not kill them! This world needs more love ☕🥧💕
@Ryderbike Dood, I dont wanna hear or give a shit about trumps taxes until you show .000000001% of the outrage at a single other politician. That you show towards trumps so called corruption.. Mkay?
@swirlie You told me your secretary booked you at a gay bar, so I asked what his name was? And you said take it up with my secretary. So I will. What is her phone number?
