MAGA lads and ladies...what would it look like for American politics if the Jan6th terrorists had succeeded in overturning the results of the election
[b]Perhaps you object to the characterization of "terrorist" and we can discuss that as well if you like, but would you have liked to set a president wherein an election could be denied by the losing party? Would you want it to be a realistic matter of course for the losing party to use force to set up their chosen candidate as President?[/b]
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So, the big lie was that there was an attempt to overturn the results. In reality, It was a demand that the grossly “hinky” results be examined. No court looked at the evidence. All the court proceeding rejected the question on procedural grounds.
It is beyond question that the 2020 election was fraught with cheating. 2022 as well.
Nope. That's just the spin that the Trump gang wants to put on it because they realize how indefensibly grotesque were their actions on that day.
The fact that Trump declared victory and told his supporters not that the results were questionable but that they had WON and they the election had been stolen. The fact is that Trump tried to get Pence to veto the results of the election wherein he has lost. The fact is that exhorted his followers that they had to FIGHT or they would have an ILLIGITIMATE government,
No red, they weren't breaking into the Captiol Building and demanding to Bring Pelosi out because they wanted a recount. They were fighting to put their leader in power. You have only to hear the recorded statements of many amongst the Jan6th terrorists (pre-failure) for that to be clear. Revisionist history is unacceptable.
@Pikachu I think it's hilarious when guys like @redredred continue to lie about the riots, when I'm sure they have seen footage like this by now: [media=https://youtu.be/QPr8g4jE88s]
@LordShadowfire yes it was a riot almost 5% as bad as the “summer of love” BLM riots. The topic under discussion is Trumps motives which were to seek verification of a very hinky election result.
@redredred Wrong again! You've provided no proof whatsoever that there was any election cheating going on, so what we have is people literally busting down the door of the Capitol building to disrupt the Democratic process by terrorizing the people counting the legitimately gathered votes.
[i][c=800000]Terrorizing.[/c][/i] That makes it an act of [i][c=800000]terror[/c][/i] against government officials. You are literally supporting [i][c=800000]terrorists[/c][/i].
lol not a particularly compelling rebuttal to my points, red. Why so vague in your counter argument? One begins to fear that "Nuh [i]uhhh[/i]!" is all you came prepared with...
Would you like to expand a little on that point or just leave it there and throw in the towel?
@Pikachu I have explained myself but I’ll try smaller words if that helps.
You honestly believe, an obvious mental defective, sat out the campaign in his basement , then chose Que Mala Kneepads for a running mate and got more legitimate votes than any president, anywhere, in the history of presidential elections anywhere in the world.
You further believe that every vote count that took more than 18 hours to complete, every single one, nationwide ,legitimately went to Joe Stupid.
Do you want to buy some ocean front property in Nebraska?
Let me get this straight red, because i don't want to strawman you here. Your counterargument is : [i]"I don't believe more people wanted Biden to be president than wanted Trump to be president, therefor Trump must actually have won!"[/i]
lol holy [i]shit[/i], son! 😆 [i]THAT'S[/i] your gambit? "BiDEn bAD, tRUMP gOoD so ElecTIon SToleN! " Really? [i]Really?![/i]
Not to mention that, that [i]humiliating[/i] demonstration of what happens when one lives in an echo chamber only argues that the Trump cult were convinced that Trump must have won and IN NO WAY mitigates or even addresses the contention that the body of evidence shows that these people were not simply demanding transparency in the voting process (as if that motive would somehow justify their acts of violence) but trying to claim victory for Trump through force.
Fuckin hell, red. That was embarrassing...but i guess at least you moved beyond "No, yur wrong" so that's growth on your part. Well done.
[i]P.s. " Que Mala Kneepads" lol you know you're making good arguments when your insulting nick names take a good 10 seconds to parse the meaning[/i] 😏
@Pikachu “ P.s. " Que Mala Kneepads" lol you know you're making good arguments when your insulting nick names take a good 10 seconds to parse the meaning”
I can only deal with so much of your ignorance at one time. My point about Joe Stupid is not that he got got more legitimate vote than Trump(he didn’t) but that such a clear mental defective got more votes than any presidential candidates than any other candidate in the worldwide history of presidential elections anywhere.
lol if you asked a group of first graders to invent a mean nickname the only one that might come out higher than "Joe Butt face" would be "jOe StuPiD 🤪". Bless you, red. Simply Aaa[i]mazing[/i] ! 🤣
But my point is is that even if you're totally ignorant of how many people hated Trump and that Trumpty Dumpty might have motivated more people than you thought to vote Biden...YOU STILL DIDN'T TAKE STEP ONE in arguing that the Trump cult's motive was not to seize power for the Great Orange Hope. Which was the point you initially contested ( [i]"So, the big lie was that there was an attempt to overturn the results"[/i] ) though i am [i]utterly[/i] unsurprised you wanted to redirect the conversation away from that issue.
If that's all you have in you, red then i'm as happy as you to leave it there, since i rather think i've come out on top. But if you want to go a few more rounds i'm ready and willing 💪😎
@Pikachu You think you came out on top by voting for, and still defending, a mental defective and a blow job artist (read up on Willie Brown), and clearly intending to again? Sure.
[quote]You think you came out on top by voting[/quote]
lol no red, do try to keep up. I came out on top by pointing out the shit you were saying, rubbing your nose in your mistake and highlighting that you still never managed to actually defend your initial claim.
So would you like to actually make an effort in that area or has that ship pretty much sailed?😏
@Pikachu You are quite amusing since you’re willing to accept a completely improbable, statistically impossible scenario just because it supports your ridiculous political view. It that’s the top for you, you have appropriately low standards.
@Pikachu I’ve done that already but it’s clear careful reading is not in your wheelhouse. Joe Stupid got more votes than any candidate in history? More than improbable. Every long count in the country goes to Joe Stupid? Statistically impossible.
I’ve got 12 graduate credits in statistics and probability from my Masters Degrees and a lifelong career using them professionally. I’m happy to educate you.
Glad to hear it. So educate me on the source for those claims.
[i]P.s. still saying JOe StUPiD like it doesn't make you sound like a kindergartener🤣. That's how an adult with 12 graduate credits should talk....😏👍[/i]
lol yeah he got real salty when i dared to ask him for a source. Apparently by "happy to educate" he means "happy to vaguely reference conspiracy theories".
