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I just think that there is a massive causality isdue with either argument.
Democrats run urban areas which have more crime
Republicans run rural areas which have less money.
The left/right - urban/rural voting demographics are similar in other countries too. It's not down to democrats being crap at dealing with crime or republicans being crap at making money. It's just not.
Thinking about why urban areas vote left and rural areas vote right is an interesting field of inquiry though.
Democrats run urban areas which have more crime
Republicans run rural areas which have less money.
The left/right - urban/rural voting demographics are similar in other countries too. It's not down to democrats being crap at dealing with crime or republicans being crap at making money. It's just not.
Thinking about why urban areas vote left and rural areas vote right is an interesting field of inquiry though.
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JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@SatanBurger All I know is that my right wing Catholic side of my family share more values of the Taliban than I do.
BohemianBabe · M
@SatanBurger Sure, but all religious Conservatives want the same thing. They just use different religions to justify their far-right beliefs. For Righties in Iran and Saudi Arabia, it's Islam. Here in America, it's Protestantism. In the growing fascist movements in Italy, Poland, and Hungary, it's Catholicism. In Putin's Russia, it's Eastern Orthodoxy.
But the beliefs are all the same. No Democracy, no women's rights, queers get killed, and the workers are kept poor.
But the beliefs are all the same. No Democracy, no women's rights, queers get killed, and the workers are kept poor.
SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
@BohemianBabe Couldn't have said it better, agreed.
BohemianBabe · M
Blue states actually have less crime. Which makes sense, since poverty is a major cause of crime.
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SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
@BohemianBabe I can confirm having lived in red states myself. Red state states usually have boarded up windows and a bunch of churches on every corner. If you know then you know lols.
Actually, I just saw something saying Republicans had crime too, but what do facts matter anymore?
This seems like the bigger issue, embracing non-fact based reality, or, maybe, charitably, a different way of approaching facts in dealing with reality.
I'm not buying both sidesism here. I'm not sure I get the Gossip Girl analogy, but I can see it from a football one.
The "Red Team," whether they cheat or not, openly embraces, even before the game starts, that the only way they can lose is if the refs are crooked, and play the game that way, before, when the whistle blows, they say they were right and the score proves that the refs were crooked.
Honestly, maybe the blue team did cheat, maybe the refs did make bad calls, but what's the point of trying to analyze what actually happened when there's no agreement over anything unless it goes there way.
And, let's be honest, in this case, Trump would still be saying he should have won by more, even if he had won, like he did in 2016, according to the refs.
I get why everyone suffers from dishonesty, bad sportsmanship, etc, but I don't think that justifies lumping in players and coaches who honestly gave their best in the same basket as those who went into the game with the motive of impugning the whole process if it didn't go their way.
This seems like the bigger issue, embracing non-fact based reality, or, maybe, charitably, a different way of approaching facts in dealing with reality.
I'm not buying both sidesism here. I'm not sure I get the Gossip Girl analogy, but I can see it from a football one.
The "Red Team," whether they cheat or not, openly embraces, even before the game starts, that the only way they can lose is if the refs are crooked, and play the game that way, before, when the whistle blows, they say they were right and the score proves that the refs were crooked.
Honestly, maybe the blue team did cheat, maybe the refs did make bad calls, but what's the point of trying to analyze what actually happened when there's no agreement over anything unless it goes there way.
And, let's be honest, in this case, Trump would still be saying he should have won by more, even if he had won, like he did in 2016, according to the refs.
I get why everyone suffers from dishonesty, bad sportsmanship, etc, but I don't think that justifies lumping in players and coaches who honestly gave their best in the same basket as those who went into the game with the motive of impugning the whole process if it didn't go their way.
SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
@MistyCee They do a good job of propaganda with the whole "blue states have higher crime" nonsense.
@SatanBurger Statistically, I'm guessing fewer Republicans can or do read, and Fox has served the movement really well in terms of helping prevent them from being contaminated by adverse information.
Murdoch had that down before Fox News, and it's been a much better winning alliance than the supposed international Jewish/Communist/Globalist/ Neocon/Elite Conspiracy that supposedly runs the other side, but which most often seems like a common interest group of non-crazy people trying to keep the world stable and work for the survival of most of humanity.
Going back to poverty and crime though, its actually a pretty complicated issue, because people who need them go to where there are services and infrastructure, which means usually cities, and they tend to vote Democrat, while Republicans have been living off of the rural areas and the white flight suburbs where people have gone to get away from crime and people who commit crime to get by.
As we mature, expand and fill up, though, and the effects of the GI bill and the New Society era stuff wear off, I'm guessing we'll eventually end up looking more like Europe, things are less black and white and policies as opposed to nationally workable propganda schemes or ideologies matter more.
The Urban/Suburban/rural thing will probably be the focus, imo, for the next few decades, but I doubt it will last once the suburbs and the cities merge and the truly rural areas become insignificant except in the Senate.
Honestly, I think Jefferson had some really great romantic ideas, but Hamilton forecast the future.
Murdoch had that down before Fox News, and it's been a much better winning alliance than the supposed international Jewish/Communist/Globalist/ Neocon/Elite Conspiracy that supposedly runs the other side, but which most often seems like a common interest group of non-crazy people trying to keep the world stable and work for the survival of most of humanity.
Going back to poverty and crime though, its actually a pretty complicated issue, because people who need them go to where there are services and infrastructure, which means usually cities, and they tend to vote Democrat, while Republicans have been living off of the rural areas and the white flight suburbs where people have gone to get away from crime and people who commit crime to get by.
As we mature, expand and fill up, though, and the effects of the GI bill and the New Society era stuff wear off, I'm guessing we'll eventually end up looking more like Europe, things are less black and white and policies as opposed to nationally workable propganda schemes or ideologies matter more.
The Urban/Suburban/rural thing will probably be the focus, imo, for the next few decades, but I doubt it will last once the suburbs and the cities merge and the truly rural areas become insignificant except in the Senate.
Honestly, I think Jefferson had some really great romantic ideas, but Hamilton forecast the future.
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@MalteseFalconPunch Ah.. I get that. The thing is, we're caught with a feedback loop of sorts, between what voters are screaming about, and what politicians are trying to encourage them to scream about.
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PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
And somehow the GOP convinced so called red states to vote against their own interests. Another interesting fact, red states used to be red states as in marxist. Oklahoma was once the stronghold of American marxism.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@SatanBurger I mean it was almost 100 years ago. That was pretty much ended in the 40s with the red scare.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@SatanBurger I also came across a few sources that state the term "redneck" came from radical marxist coal miners in Kentucky who wore red scarves around the time of the coal minor strikes like the War of Harlan County. There is a very strong leftist history in "conservative" states.
SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Haha I didn't even know that, now if I argue with a redneck again about how they think "the gays" are taking over society, I'll let them know just that lol.
Graylight · 51-55, F
No. Democratic cities are higher in crime because Democrats run most of the major cities in this country. Poverty is just poverty. It’s a choice here in the south. When we don’t respect education and’s healthcare and progress for all, we end up with the population of GEDs and that’s a land of poverty.
JonLosAngeles66 · M
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graphite · 61-69, M
Yet the top 2 states for homelessness are California and New York, owned lock, stock and barrel by Democrats.
JonLosAngeles66 · M
@graphite a whole other topic.
TexChik · F
Could be, like with covid numbers, democrats lie? Its ok, we already know.
SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
@TexChik Hmm... got any proof?
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JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
Fucking tiresome shit lol.
SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
@JimboSaturn Hahaha yup.
graphite · 61-69, M
Well, when poor people get shipped to a place that claims that they want them, like Democrat-owned Martha's Vineyard, the military are called to get them the hell out of there at this instant. Democrat Elitist Communities: Filthy rich and making damn sure they stay that way.
JonLosAngeles66 · M
Where are you getting Dems have more crime?
RocktheHouse · M
Republicans don't take excessive federal aid or implement minimum wage policies. It does hurt those red states in a lot of ways.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@RocktheHouse A bunch of rich idiots making the people they claim to represent suffer as part of an ideological experiment.
JonLosAngeles66 · M
@RocktheHouse the poor red states take more federal money than a state like California which puts in much more than it takes out.
SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
@RocktheHouse https://www.politicscentral.org/red-states-receive-substantially-more-federal-aid-than-blue-states/
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SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
@RogueLoner But where do you get your sources from? Are they outright lies?
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