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Fairydust · F
I don’t trust corrupt governments to make a choice over my body, the vaccines are poison ☠️
One day when it’s too late, you’ll see ⏳ biggest scam in history.
One day when it’s too late, you’ll see ⏳ biggest scam in history.
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midnightrose · F
I don't think they're exactly the same. One mandated you put something in your body as a preventative, whether you ever get sick or not. The other is the result of a choice that the person already made for themselves and wants out of the consequences.
The equal would be mandated "let nature run its course" when you get sick after going out and participating in activities that had potential to get you sick. You may have been cautious but there was still a chance of getting sick. (I actually heard many suggest this for those who chose not to vaccinate) Another equal scenario would be mandated birth control so women don't get pregnant, even though we know women still get pregnant on birth control and it can cause a lot of other issues.
I support women making their own choices concerning pregnancy. I also think for those situations that it is an elective procedure it should come out of their own pocket or private funds that people opt in to make donations, as opposed to the government financially supporting groups that perform abortions.
This is one reason prolifers are against the government having abortion as a right. They don't want to indirectly support something that they fundamentally disagree on and consider murder.
Of course, by not letting people make their own decisions they are forcing their beliefs onto the rest of the population. I get it somewhat. If you considered something to be murder or morally wrong that the rest of the world thought was ok, would you do everything in your power to fight against it and stop it? It hardly seems fair, though, to those who don't consider it a full life yet and therefore not murder.
I don't think we will ever find a satisfying solution that doesn't force one side to accept things that they believe are wrong in some way. I know it's not an easy decision and nobody ever makes these decisions lightly.
The equal would be mandated "let nature run its course" when you get sick after going out and participating in activities that had potential to get you sick. You may have been cautious but there was still a chance of getting sick. (I actually heard many suggest this for those who chose not to vaccinate) Another equal scenario would be mandated birth control so women don't get pregnant, even though we know women still get pregnant on birth control and it can cause a lot of other issues.
I support women making their own choices concerning pregnancy. I also think for those situations that it is an elective procedure it should come out of their own pocket or private funds that people opt in to make donations, as opposed to the government financially supporting groups that perform abortions.
This is one reason prolifers are against the government having abortion as a right. They don't want to indirectly support something that they fundamentally disagree on and consider murder.
Of course, by not letting people make their own decisions they are forcing their beliefs onto the rest of the population. I get it somewhat. If you considered something to be murder or morally wrong that the rest of the world thought was ok, would you do everything in your power to fight against it and stop it? It hardly seems fair, though, to those who don't consider it a full life yet and therefore not murder.
I don't think we will ever find a satisfying solution that doesn't force one side to accept things that they believe are wrong in some way. I know it's not an easy decision and nobody ever makes these decisions lightly.
scrood · 31-35
Birth is natural; vaccine is unnatural
Elessar · 26-30, M
How many truck protesters have you seen against state-mandated pregnancies?
It's almost like those protests had nothing to do with masks or vaccines, or even less so freedom, to the surprise of nobody minus the ones who participated or supported them
It's almost like those protests had nothing to do with masks or vaccines, or even less so freedom, to the surprise of nobody minus the ones who participated or supported them
astrosandorbits · 26-30, M
Would you say the same applies to the other argument from the other side? In this instance: Because one says: "My body, my choice," they also conclude the same with vaccines and that vaccine mandates are wrong? Just curious. Ive watched both the left and right literally cripple themselves to death over this and it's just one of various reasons why i find both sides a joke. The phrase "my body, my choice" technically implies a woman could do whatever she wants with her body, and a person can choose not to get the vaccine if they see fit. Of course there is the argument from the right that abortion is not about the woman and is instead about the baby's body. That's for a different time and different day. But again im just curious to see your take on the my body my choice thing.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@astrosandorbits Oftentimes, replies and posts here use a particular platform in order to speak to the larger community that exists here, to spark debate or discussion, or simply because your original language was unclear. I wouldn't take it too personally.
astrosandorbits · 26-30, M
@Graylight im not following you lol
Graylight · 51-55, F
@astrosandorbits It means, simply, sometimes "you" is just the general "you."
SW-User
I can understand the complains about COVID vaccine, people had doubts because it didn't go through the testing normal vaccine goes through.
But People are dumb enough to not take polio vaccine and brought back polio.
You can't ask questions about abortion to people who choose to be affected by polio.
They are hardcore.
But People are dumb enough to not take polio vaccine and brought back polio.
You can't ask questions about abortion to people who choose to be affected by polio.
They are hardcore.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@SW-User
The vaccines for the novel coronavirus went through the same layers of review and testing as other vaccines.
https://www.umms.org/coronavirus/covid-vaccine/facts/testing
https://www.umms.org/coronavirus/covid-vaccine/facts/testing
SW-User
@Graylight I had my shots.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
I am against both, with some exceptions.
If we are talking about COVID vaccine, I agree. It's a bad illness, but not in the category of "bad enough" that everyone should be forced to get vaccinated in order to save the human species. Survival rate for COVID is pretty high. And those compromised individuals who are likely to get really sick from COVID probably would also get really sick from Flu, RSV, etc..
As for abortion - for the most part I think choice is between woman and doctor for the whole pregnancy. But after ~24 weeks I think medical emergency or health of the fetus should be the only reason for abortion. A healthy fetus could be delivered naturally at that point. (Although I doubt there are many (any) abortions that happen after 24 weeks where the fetus is viable).
If we are talking about COVID vaccine, I agree. It's a bad illness, but not in the category of "bad enough" that everyone should be forced to get vaccinated in order to save the human species. Survival rate for COVID is pretty high. And those compromised individuals who are likely to get really sick from COVID probably would also get really sick from Flu, RSV, etc..
As for abortion - for the most part I think choice is between woman and doctor for the whole pregnancy. But after ~24 weeks I think medical emergency or health of the fetus should be the only reason for abortion. A healthy fetus could be delivered naturally at that point. (Although I doubt there are many (any) abortions that happen after 24 weeks where the fetus is viable).
Torsten · 36-40, M
its not just her body though, so i dont get the logic of this
Torsten · 36-40, M
@Pikachu when you bring up abortions in discussions, no doubt you will hear all diff opinions on it but frankly what does it really matter. Men are told we have no say in this and our thoughts mean jack shit, so why do women still get annoyed when men speak on this and say things they dont want to hear?
Graylight · 51-55, F
@Torsten Men have plenty of say in this.
The exact same truth applies to men. Do you want a say? Great. Mandatory: childcare, medical costs, clothing, groceries, entertainment, education, hobbies and sports, special needs, ER visits, clubs requiring fees, auto and insurance costs, prom, birthdays and holidays, higher education, a wedding... 50% automatically responsible. And if you don't like Mom's choices, you're free to move in a make a cozy little life of three people who never asked for the situation. No exceptions, no hardship cases, no second thoughts, no luxuries reserved for young people with little to no responsibility. Are you 17? Sorry, sucks for you. 61? Welcome to late fatherhood. Already married? Not planning on a family? Waiting for the big promotion? Waiting to travel the world? All that's on hold, courtesy of the US government. You're a mandated father now.
You don't get much say in this because the situation is simply not one you can adequately appreciate. A clump of cells the size of a little finger is not a "baby" or "child" or viable or thinking. At 6 weeks, it's a growth on the woman's uterus that cannot exist without it's near-parasitic dependance on her.
the women got herself in that situation by her actions for the most part.
The exact same truth applies to men. Do you want a say? Great. Mandatory: childcare, medical costs, clothing, groceries, entertainment, education, hobbies and sports, special needs, ER visits, clubs requiring fees, auto and insurance costs, prom, birthdays and holidays, higher education, a wedding... 50% automatically responsible. And if you don't like Mom's choices, you're free to move in a make a cozy little life of three people who never asked for the situation. No exceptions, no hardship cases, no second thoughts, no luxuries reserved for young people with little to no responsibility. Are you 17? Sorry, sucks for you. 61? Welcome to late fatherhood. Already married? Not planning on a family? Waiting for the big promotion? Waiting to travel the world? All that's on hold, courtesy of the US government. You're a mandated father now.
You don't get much say in this because the situation is simply not one you can adequately appreciate. A clump of cells the size of a little finger is not a "baby" or "child" or viable or thinking. At 6 weeks, it's a growth on the woman's uterus that cannot exist without it's near-parasitic dependance on her.
Dan193 · 31-35, M
Government knows better what's good for us normal folk
Yulianna · 22-25, F
🤔 now there's a thought... pity that prolifers don't do thinking.
Whodunnit · M
Yes
Zonuss · 41-45, M
The vaccination didn't work too well. You'll be ok kid. 🙂✨✨
RocktheHouse · M
Women have the right to choose what happen to their body in terms of reproduction. Am I missing something? Since when do we force women to have babies or prevent them?
This isn't the woman's body we are talking about. It's the baby's body - more precisely, the baby's life. Now, if there were a way to remove the baby from her womb and successfully develop it in an incubator, that may be a compromise, provided she can pay for it.
This isn't the woman's body we are talking about. It's the baby's body - more precisely, the baby's life. Now, if there were a way to remove the baby from her womb and successfully develop it in an incubator, that may be a compromise, provided she can pay for it.
@RocktheHouse
Wrong.
No person has the right to make use of another person's body so even if you consider the fetus a person it is still violating a woman's right over her own body to force her to carry a pregancy.
But this is not a thread about the abortion debate so if you want to contest that, make a thread about it.
This isn't the woman's body we are talking about. It's the baby's body
Wrong.
No person has the right to make use of another person's body so even if you consider the fetus a person it is still violating a woman's right over her own body to force her to carry a pregancy.
But this is not a thread about the abortion debate so if you want to contest that, make a thread about it.