Karine Jean-Pierre: ‘Unconstitutional’ For Supreme Court To Overturn Roe
In other words, in KJP’s upside-down bizarro-world, it was “unconstitutional” for the Supreme Court to perform its constitutional duty. Got it?
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Strictmichael75 · 61-69, M
Strictmichael75 · 61-69, M
@graphite the right to do what you want with your body
graphite · 61-69, M
@Strictmichael75 What about the unborn baby's body? And anyway, every law is a restriction of what we can do with our bodies. Never mind that we have government still able to force people (actually, just men) to serve in the military whether they want to or not. So much for bodily autonomy. Congress can bring back the draft anytime
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
@Strictmichael75 That's not the issue for most.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@Strictmichael75 Got all 26 of your kung flu shots?
@sunsporter1649
[quote]kung flu shots?[/quote]
Ignoring your absurd attempt at deflection...why do you feel the need to say something like "kung flu"?
What makes you feel the need to assign the origin of a disease to a certain country or culture rather than just referring to it by the universally accepted scientific nomenclature?
Can you give a logical justification for that or is it just racism and xenophobia peaking through?
Will you even have the balls to answer me?
[quote]kung flu shots?[/quote]
Ignoring your absurd attempt at deflection...why do you feel the need to say something like "kung flu"?
What makes you feel the need to assign the origin of a disease to a certain country or culture rather than just referring to it by the universally accepted scientific nomenclature?
Can you give a logical justification for that or is it just racism and xenophobia peaking through?
Will you even have the balls to answer me?
DffrntDrmmr · M
@Pikachu I'll answer you. Get over yourself. You do not control other people's word choices. He did not use profanity, slurs or anything against policy.
The country of origin has long been a natural way of describing a pandemic. It's natural. And he didn't even do that. He used a clever play on the words Kung Fu and flu.
Again, get over your virtue-signaling politically-correct oppressive tendencies. And don't do it again!
The country of origin has long been a natural way of describing a pandemic. It's natural. And he didn't even do that. He used a clever play on the words Kung Fu and flu.
Again, get over your virtue-signaling politically-correct oppressive tendencies. And don't do it again!
@DffrntDrmmr
I didn't attempt to control buddy's choice of words, i merely asked him to explain why he feels this choice of words is appropriate, necessary or desirable.
I'm not sure why this challenge has offended you.
[quote]The country of origin has long been a natural way of describing a pandemic[/quote]
You have just invoked a logical fallacy known as argument from tradition.
That is to say, you have attempted to justify this act by saying that it has been done this way in the past.
You surely understand that this does not itself justify anything.
For example, keeping other humans as property has a lengthy historical precedent but i assume you do not consider that precedent reasonable grounds to continue the practice.
[quote] virtue-signaling politically-correct oppressive tendencies[/quote]
Oh, virtue signaling, is it? Oppressive?
Here's the facts: The World Health Organization has determined that naming illnesses in this way has a very real and detrimental effect on people belonging to (or perceived as belonging to) the associated group. This was shown again during the COVID 19 pandemic when people of Asian descent were verbally and physically attacked because they were assumed to carry the disease. That included not just Chinese immigrants but American citizens of Chinese descent, Japanese, Taiwanese, Korean....these people face social, financial and physical threats because of propaganda intended to place the blame at these people's feet.
Does that seem right to you?
Does it seem right to you to encourage that kind of discrimination because you think it's clever word play?
I didn't attempt to control buddy's choice of words, i merely asked him to explain why he feels this choice of words is appropriate, necessary or desirable.
I'm not sure why this challenge has offended you.
[quote]The country of origin has long been a natural way of describing a pandemic[/quote]
You have just invoked a logical fallacy known as argument from tradition.
That is to say, you have attempted to justify this act by saying that it has been done this way in the past.
You surely understand that this does not itself justify anything.
For example, keeping other humans as property has a lengthy historical precedent but i assume you do not consider that precedent reasonable grounds to continue the practice.
[quote] virtue-signaling politically-correct oppressive tendencies[/quote]
Oh, virtue signaling, is it? Oppressive?
Here's the facts: The World Health Organization has determined that naming illnesses in this way has a very real and detrimental effect on people belonging to (or perceived as belonging to) the associated group. This was shown again during the COVID 19 pandemic when people of Asian descent were verbally and physically attacked because they were assumed to carry the disease. That included not just Chinese immigrants but American citizens of Chinese descent, Japanese, Taiwanese, Korean....these people face social, financial and physical threats because of propaganda intended to place the blame at these people's feet.
Does that seem right to you?
Does it seem right to you to encourage that kind of discrimination because you think it's clever word play?
DffrntDrmmr · M
@Pikachu [quote]You have just invoked a logical fallacy known as argument from tradition.[/quote]
No, I did not. As I said, the country of origin has long been a natural way of describing a pandemic.
Now, you may decide that WHO's line of thinking makes sense and because you want to abide by it, then by all means do.
But do not impose that on other people. You are not the WHO's language violation enforcer, are you?
Others may not see it as you do. Understand this, it is not your position to choose other people's words.
As for those purported repurcussions to all people from a country where a disease may have originated, I'm not buying it. I've not noticed or heard about Spain, Hong Kong or anywhere else having those issues.
Let me explain what appeared to happen to me. First off, let me start with by explaining I'm not defending Trump. I don't like him and did not vote for him. He had not made an issue of calling it the "China virus" until after China and WHO decided together to implement a new policy (China is a major funder and they worked closely on the virus that spread in China first in Wuhan). Only after their new politically-correct language idea was announced did Trump purposely use the "China virus" in response. (Yeah, I know, he's an azz). That can happen when anyone tries to impose politically-correct language. That then set off some die-hard Trump supporters emulating him and it continued with a smaller number.
So, the lesson is, normal speaking about a virus that first surfaces in China was no problem until unenforceable authoritarian language rules entered the picture.
No one here at SW is under the authority of WHO, China or you. If you want to share your thoughts about WHO's guidance, fine. But do it respectfully without moral condemnation, as you did.
Besides, as I said, saying "kung flu" is not blaming China, it's a language quip, a play on words. I happen to think it's clever (if not original).
🙂
No, I did not. As I said, the country of origin has long been a natural way of describing a pandemic.
Now, you may decide that WHO's line of thinking makes sense and because you want to abide by it, then by all means do.
But do not impose that on other people. You are not the WHO's language violation enforcer, are you?
Others may not see it as you do. Understand this, it is not your position to choose other people's words.
As for those purported repurcussions to all people from a country where a disease may have originated, I'm not buying it. I've not noticed or heard about Spain, Hong Kong or anywhere else having those issues.
Let me explain what appeared to happen to me. First off, let me start with by explaining I'm not defending Trump. I don't like him and did not vote for him. He had not made an issue of calling it the "China virus" until after China and WHO decided together to implement a new policy (China is a major funder and they worked closely on the virus that spread in China first in Wuhan). Only after their new politically-correct language idea was announced did Trump purposely use the "China virus" in response. (Yeah, I know, he's an azz). That can happen when anyone tries to impose politically-correct language. That then set off some die-hard Trump supporters emulating him and it continued with a smaller number.
So, the lesson is, normal speaking about a virus that first surfaces in China was no problem until unenforceable authoritarian language rules entered the picture.
No one here at SW is under the authority of WHO, China or you. If you want to share your thoughts about WHO's guidance, fine. But do it respectfully without moral condemnation, as you did.
Besides, as I said, saying "kung flu" is not blaming China, it's a language quip, a play on words. I happen to think it's clever (if not original).
🙂
@DffrntDrmmr
[quote]No, I did not. As I said, the country of origin has long been a natural way of describing a pandemic.[/quote]
Well let's determine whether you are or are not guilty of invoking that fallacy.
Do you consider the fact that this naming convention has been used historically to be a good reason to continue the practice?
Yes or no?
[quote]Now, you may decide that WHO's line of thinking makes sense and because you want to abide by it, then by all means do.[/quote]
Forget what i [i]think[/i] about it, i've shared the facts with you. This kind of racial, ethnic, nationality-identifying naming convention [i]demonstrably[/i] hurts innocent people.
Do you consider that a desirable circumstance?
[quote]As for those purported repurcussions to all people from a country where a disease may have originated, I'm not buying it.[/quote]
What do you mean purported? Would you like to contest that naming conventions of this sort directly results in harm to people of the associated place of origin? Have you bothered to research that at all or are you just denying it?
Just use google for a minute and tell me you're not finding a myriad of sources saying why this is harmful.
Here's one that was my first hit on google. You can go on from there if you're actually interested in what is true.
https://theconversation.com/calling-the-coronavirus-the-chinese-virus-matters-research-connects-the-label-with-racist-bias-176437
It even extends to naming disease after animals because things like the swine flu resulted in the culling of thousands of animals with no proof that they were ever even infected.
Are you genuinely unaware of the consequences of such racially charged labels?
[quote]So, the lesson is, normal speaking about a virus that first surfaces in China was no problem until unenforceable authoritarian language rules entered the picture[/quote]
No, the lesson is that naming disease after a race, country or culture results in very real, harmful effects to that group or people perceived as belonging to that group.
The harm is not a result of "authoritarian language rules" but the result of ignorant reactions to thoughtless or deliberately racist memetic labels for diseases of the kind you are now defending.
[quote]Only after their new politically-correct language idea was announced did Trump purposely use the "China virus" in response[/quote]
Yeah, so after it was explained why it was a harmful thing to do he doubled down on it because while the American response to COVID collapsed in failure, Trump needed a scapegoat on which to pin the blame.
[quote]f you want to share your thoughts about WHO's guidance, fine. But do it respectfully without moral condemnation, as you did.[/quote]
lol don't try to impose your rules about how i need to act here on SW. If i think something is morally reprehensible then i'll damn well say so.
And evidently so will you because that's exactly what you just did here.
Don't be a hypocrite.
[quote]Besides, as I said, saying "kung flu" is not blaming China, it's a language quip[/quote]
Tell me honestly: To which ethnicity do you think the common man would associate "kung flu"?
[quote]No, I did not. As I said, the country of origin has long been a natural way of describing a pandemic.[/quote]
Well let's determine whether you are or are not guilty of invoking that fallacy.
Do you consider the fact that this naming convention has been used historically to be a good reason to continue the practice?
Yes or no?
[quote]Now, you may decide that WHO's line of thinking makes sense and because you want to abide by it, then by all means do.[/quote]
Forget what i [i]think[/i] about it, i've shared the facts with you. This kind of racial, ethnic, nationality-identifying naming convention [i]demonstrably[/i] hurts innocent people.
Do you consider that a desirable circumstance?
[quote]As for those purported repurcussions to all people from a country where a disease may have originated, I'm not buying it.[/quote]
What do you mean purported? Would you like to contest that naming conventions of this sort directly results in harm to people of the associated place of origin? Have you bothered to research that at all or are you just denying it?
Just use google for a minute and tell me you're not finding a myriad of sources saying why this is harmful.
Here's one that was my first hit on google. You can go on from there if you're actually interested in what is true.
https://theconversation.com/calling-the-coronavirus-the-chinese-virus-matters-research-connects-the-label-with-racist-bias-176437
It even extends to naming disease after animals because things like the swine flu resulted in the culling of thousands of animals with no proof that they were ever even infected.
Are you genuinely unaware of the consequences of such racially charged labels?
[quote]So, the lesson is, normal speaking about a virus that first surfaces in China was no problem until unenforceable authoritarian language rules entered the picture[/quote]
No, the lesson is that naming disease after a race, country or culture results in very real, harmful effects to that group or people perceived as belonging to that group.
The harm is not a result of "authoritarian language rules" but the result of ignorant reactions to thoughtless or deliberately racist memetic labels for diseases of the kind you are now defending.
[quote]Only after their new politically-correct language idea was announced did Trump purposely use the "China virus" in response[/quote]
Yeah, so after it was explained why it was a harmful thing to do he doubled down on it because while the American response to COVID collapsed in failure, Trump needed a scapegoat on which to pin the blame.
[quote]f you want to share your thoughts about WHO's guidance, fine. But do it respectfully without moral condemnation, as you did.[/quote]
lol don't try to impose your rules about how i need to act here on SW. If i think something is morally reprehensible then i'll damn well say so.
And evidently so will you because that's exactly what you just did here.
Don't be a hypocrite.
[quote]Besides, as I said, saying "kung flu" is not blaming China, it's a language quip[/quote]
Tell me honestly: To which ethnicity do you think the common man would associate "kung flu"?
DffrntDrmmr · M
@Pikachu
I don't think kung flu is the issue here we should be concerned about. It's Leftist Disease. When a normal healthy brain is damaged with brain disease, it sometimes leads to a pathological "liberal shift" or a reduced tendency to logic and reason in political ideology.
Please schedule an appointment with your doctor at once! 😧
[quote]Differences in political ideology are a major source of human disagreement and conflict. There is increasing evidence that neurobiological mechanisms mediate individual differences in political ideology through effects on a conservative-liberal axis. This review summarizes personality, evolutionary and genetic, cognitive, neuroimaging, and neurological studies of conservatism-liberalism and discusses how they might affect political ideology. What emerges from this highly variable literature is evidence for a normal right-sided "conservative-complex" involving structures sensitive to negativity bias, threat, disgust, and avoidance. This conservative-complex may be damaged with brain disease, sometimes leading to a pathological "liberal shift" or a reduced tendency to conservatism in political ideology. Although not deterministic, these findings recommend further research on politics and the brain.[/quote]
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28264633/
I don't think kung flu is the issue here we should be concerned about. It's Leftist Disease. When a normal healthy brain is damaged with brain disease, it sometimes leads to a pathological "liberal shift" or a reduced tendency to logic and reason in political ideology.
Please schedule an appointment with your doctor at once! 😧
[quote]Differences in political ideology are a major source of human disagreement and conflict. There is increasing evidence that neurobiological mechanisms mediate individual differences in political ideology through effects on a conservative-liberal axis. This review summarizes personality, evolutionary and genetic, cognitive, neuroimaging, and neurological studies of conservatism-liberalism and discusses how they might affect political ideology. What emerges from this highly variable literature is evidence for a normal right-sided "conservative-complex" involving structures sensitive to negativity bias, threat, disgust, and avoidance. This conservative-complex may be damaged with brain disease, sometimes leading to a pathological "liberal shift" or a reduced tendency to conservatism in political ideology. Although not deterministic, these findings recommend further research on politics and the brain.[/quote]
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28264633/
@DffrntDrmmr
lol oh buddy...
So you began with a high-horse, self-righteous admonition of my unfair criticism of sprty's use of the racially charged "kung flu" which you tried to prop up with logical fallacies and outright denials of documented fact....and finding yourself unable to defend any of those positions you've retreated finally into "Yur mentally ill!"🤣
Your deflections are noted and your excuses dismissed.
I'll give you another chance to respond thoughtfully to my last post if you think you're up to it.
lol please do your best, i'ma bust a gut and hemorrhage if you earnestly respond with such naked sophistry again....
do your best🙂
lol oh buddy...
So you began with a high-horse, self-righteous admonition of my unfair criticism of sprty's use of the racially charged "kung flu" which you tried to prop up with logical fallacies and outright denials of documented fact....and finding yourself unable to defend any of those positions you've retreated finally into "Yur mentally ill!"🤣
Your deflections are noted and your excuses dismissed.
I'll give you another chance to respond thoughtfully to my last post if you think you're up to it.
lol please do your best, i'ma bust a gut and hemorrhage if you earnestly respond with such naked sophistry again....
do your best🙂
@sunsporter1649
I am not denying the apparent origin of the novel corona virus known (to most of the world) as COVID 19.
Please try for once to answer with a straight answer instead of a self-serving, dishonest deflection.
Here is the question. Give me a straight answer if you can manage it....
[b][i][c=800000]Why do you feel the need to say something like "kung flu"?
What makes you feel the need to assign the origin of a disease to a certain country or culture rather than just referring to it by the universally accepted scientific nomenclature?
Can you give a logical justification for that or is it just racism and xenophobia peaking through?[/c][/i][/b]
I am not denying the apparent origin of the novel corona virus known (to most of the world) as COVID 19.
Please try for once to answer with a straight answer instead of a self-serving, dishonest deflection.
Here is the question. Give me a straight answer if you can manage it....
[b][i][c=800000]Why do you feel the need to say something like "kung flu"?
What makes you feel the need to assign the origin of a disease to a certain country or culture rather than just referring to it by the universally accepted scientific nomenclature?
Can you give a logical justification for that or is it just racism and xenophobia peaking through?[/c][/i][/b]
DffrntDrmmr · M
@Pikachu Shirley (may I call you Shirley?), you're not anti-science, too? That which I quoted is word-for-word from the National Institute for Health! Check the link to verify for yourself.
This could explain a lot about what this country is suffering from. Perhaps it's another pandemic. This is nothing to joke around about! 😧
This could explain a lot about what this country is suffering from. Perhaps it's another pandemic. This is nothing to joke around about! 😧
@DffrntDrmmr
You can all me whatever you want, it doesn't disguise your clumsy deflection.
[quote]you're not anti-science, too?[/quote]
Are you anti-science? Because thus far your response to the scientific consensus regarding the harmful results of race-specific naming of disease has been "We've always done it that way!" and "I don't buy it!"
lol you'll agree that these are not responses which can be considered scientifically literate, hmm?
I gave you a chance to respond thoughtfully to legitimate defeaters of your position.
You have elected instead to defend your ego and your bias.
You have lost my interest.
You may regain it if you decide that you are in fact able and willing to give a pertinent response to the issues i have brought to your attention.
...or just fester in your echo chamber🙂
You can all me whatever you want, it doesn't disguise your clumsy deflection.
[quote]you're not anti-science, too?[/quote]
Are you anti-science? Because thus far your response to the scientific consensus regarding the harmful results of race-specific naming of disease has been "We've always done it that way!" and "I don't buy it!"
lol you'll agree that these are not responses which can be considered scientifically literate, hmm?
I gave you a chance to respond thoughtfully to legitimate defeaters of your position.
You have elected instead to defend your ego and your bias.
You have lost my interest.
You may regain it if you decide that you are in fact able and willing to give a pertinent response to the issues i have brought to your attention.
...or just fester in your echo chamber🙂
@sunsporter1649
It's not about offense. It's about harm to innocent people.
Harm to not just Chinese immigrants but American citizens of Chinese descent, Japanese, Taiwanese, Korean....these people face social, financial and physical threats because of propaganda intended to place the blame at these people's feet.
That is the documented effect of the sort of finger pointing you're engaging in and supporting by saying things like "kung flu" and promulgating the notion that it is important to lay the blame on the Chinese because the disease originate there.
So that was your second deflection. You attempted to straw man my criticism as an objection to mere offense.
I have now explained your error.
You like to play at being an intellectual...show me that you can think through an issue.
Don't respond with a silly deflection or straw man.
Control your ego. Stop. Think......respond.
I'll give you one more chace.
[b][i][u][c=800000]Why do you feel the need to say something like "kung flu"?
What makes you feel the need to assign the origin of a disease to a certain country or culture rather than just referring to it by the universally accepted scientific nomenclature?
Can you give a logical justification for that or is it just racism and xenophobia peaking through?[/c][/u][/i][/b]
It's not about offense. It's about harm to innocent people.
Harm to not just Chinese immigrants but American citizens of Chinese descent, Japanese, Taiwanese, Korean....these people face social, financial and physical threats because of propaganda intended to place the blame at these people's feet.
That is the documented effect of the sort of finger pointing you're engaging in and supporting by saying things like "kung flu" and promulgating the notion that it is important to lay the blame on the Chinese because the disease originate there.
So that was your second deflection. You attempted to straw man my criticism as an objection to mere offense.
I have now explained your error.
You like to play at being an intellectual...show me that you can think through an issue.
Don't respond with a silly deflection or straw man.
Control your ego. Stop. Think......respond.
I'll give you one more chace.
[b][i][u][c=800000]Why do you feel the need to say something like "kung flu"?
What makes you feel the need to assign the origin of a disease to a certain country or culture rather than just referring to it by the universally accepted scientific nomenclature?
Can you give a logical justification for that or is it just racism and xenophobia peaking through?[/c][/u][/i][/b]
@sunsporter1649
Surely you can read plain English, yes?
Read carefully:
It's not about offense. It's about harm to innocent people.
Harm to not just Chinese immigrants but American citizens of Chinese descent, Japanese, Taiwanese, Korean....these people face social, financial and physical threats because of propaganda intended to place the blame at these people's feet.
That is the documented effect of the sort of finger pointing you're engaging in and supporting by saying things like "kung flu" and promulgating the notion that it is important to lay the blame on the Chinese because the disease originate there.
So that was your second deflection. You attempted to straw man my criticism as an objection to mere offense.
I have now explained your error.
You like to play at being an intellectual...show me that you can think through an issue.
Don't respond with a silly deflection or straw man.
Control your ego. Stop. Think......respond.
I'll give you one more chance.
[b][i][u][c=800000]Why do you feel the need to say something like "kung flu"?
What makes you feel the need to assign the origin of a disease to a certain country or culture rather than just referring to it by the universally accepted scientific nomenclature?
Can you give a logical justification for that or is it just racism and xenophobia peaking through?[/c][/u][/i][/b]
Come on! I know if you try real hard you can squeeze at least one honest response! 🙏😇
Surely you can read plain English, yes?
Read carefully:
It's not about offense. It's about harm to innocent people.
Harm to not just Chinese immigrants but American citizens of Chinese descent, Japanese, Taiwanese, Korean....these people face social, financial and physical threats because of propaganda intended to place the blame at these people's feet.
That is the documented effect of the sort of finger pointing you're engaging in and supporting by saying things like "kung flu" and promulgating the notion that it is important to lay the blame on the Chinese because the disease originate there.
So that was your second deflection. You attempted to straw man my criticism as an objection to mere offense.
I have now explained your error.
You like to play at being an intellectual...show me that you can think through an issue.
Don't respond with a silly deflection or straw man.
Control your ego. Stop. Think......respond.
I'll give you one more chance.
[b][i][u][c=800000]Why do you feel the need to say something like "kung flu"?
What makes you feel the need to assign the origin of a disease to a certain country or culture rather than just referring to it by the universally accepted scientific nomenclature?
Can you give a logical justification for that or is it just racism and xenophobia peaking through?[/c][/u][/i][/b]
Come on! I know if you try real hard you can squeeze at least one honest response! 🙏😇
DffrntDrmmr · M