Regrading the Jan 6 treason; wondering if any Trump Cultists have the balls to answer this question:
If the situation were reversed, if Biden was the incumbent who had lost, declared the election stolen and exhorted his followers to overturn the results of a democratic election....how would you have reacted?
Being honest, would you have tried to ignore it as you do now? Say it wasn't a big deal? Argue that Biden does not bear any responsibility for it?
I want you to thoughtfully self-examine here. If liberals had tried by force to overturn an election...would you be saying the same things you are now?
I anticipate a very low number of responses from Trump supporters here....
Honest, yeah, you're right. But, will the justice system work? If Trump is found guilty of sedition, will he do time? The rich usually doesn't. I'm just sick to death of the whole thing. If Trump gets off, what's next? Will the witch hunt ever end? I actually dread 2024...
(1)with intent to usurp or override lawful military authority, refuses, in concert with any other person, to obey orders or otherwise do his duty or creates any violence or disturbance is guilty of mutiny;
(2)with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of lawful civil authority, creates, in concert with any other person, revolt, violence, or other disturbance against that authority is guilty of sedition;
(3)fails to do his utmost to prevent and suppress a mutiny or sedition being committed in his presence, or fails to take all reasonable means to inform his superior commissioned officer or commanding officer of a mutiny or sedition which he knows or has reason to believe is taking place, is guilty of a failure to suppress or report a mutiny or sedition.
(b)A person who is found guilty of attempted mutiny, mutiny, sedition, or failure to suppress or report a mutiny or sedition shall be punished by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct. (Aug. 10, 1956, ch. 1041, 70A Stat. 68.)
But I'd settle for 20 year and a seditious conspiracy conviction. We do need to leave the hated and ugliness behind; sometimes, the only way to do that is to eliminate the source.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Bush-v-Gore Florida race was much closer than Gore’s staff had originally believed. Fewer than 600 votes separated the candidates, and that margin appeared to be narrowing. At about 3:00 am Gore called a stunned Bush to retract his concession.By November 10 the machine recount was complete, and Bush’s lead stood at 327 votes out of six million cast. As court challenges were issued over the legality of hand recounts in select counties, news stories were filled with the arcane vocabulary of the election judge. County officials tried to discern voter intent through a cloud of “hanging chads” (incompletely punched paper ballots) and “pregnant chads” (paper ballots that were dimpled, but not pierced, during the voting process), as well as “overvotes” (ballots that recorded multiple votes for the same office) and “undervotes” (ballots that recorded no vote for a given office). Also at issue was the so-called butterfly ballot design used in Palm Beach county, which caused confusion among some residents who had intended to vote for Gore—leading them to inadvertently cast some 3,400 votes for an ultraconservative third-party candidate, i dont remember any type of overthrowing the government when this happened.. mark
@Pikachu Also at issue was the so-called butterfly ballot design used in Palm Beach county, which caused confusion among some residents who had intended to vote for Gore—leading them to inadvertently cast some 3,400 votes for an ultraconservative third-party candidate,
Al Gore tried to overturn the 2000 election he just didn’t have any fan with balls enough to help him. The election of 2020 was obviously tainted and should at least have been investigated.
No worries, once the democrats get destroyed this November, it will be.
@Pikachu he tried to say the count in specific democrat controlled counties in Florida was wrong and wanted only those counties recounted. It was pretty evident that he had the fix in in those counties. The Florida law had historically set a deadline for challenging the results and he went to court to try to overturn that deadline law and the US SCOTUS ruled against him. That’s when he gave up the effort.
The New York Times followed up six months later and recounted those counties. Bush won them all.
And for those who claimed that the vice president can unilaterally decide which slates of electors to accept, will they the same thing about Kamala Harris next time?
It's interesting to me that 'not Trump supporters' don't see this as a big deal. There is a lot of false equivalents being made with BLM ('both sides do it')
I'm not American but it's just really noticeable how a losing President refusing to accept an election result and trying to overturn it has become normalised. It's seen as 'sone bullshit' but it's not beyond the pail by people who are American swing voters.
The January 6th hearings are the latest reason why Democrats will be slaughtered in November. While Americans struggle to put food on their tables and gas in their cars, Democrats are focused on taking down a former president for exercising his first amendment right to free speech. What is their problem with encouraging peaceful protests? They didn't mind protests when Roe was overturned.
Yeah, after he made a speech wherein he told them they had won but that they had been robbed, that they had to fight, that only through strength could they save America and that they should march down to the capitol building....after he did all that and after *gasp* quelle surprise, his supporters attempted to use force to "stop the steal", after all that he called for them to leave peacefully.
Maybe because he really thought they ought to, maybe because he realized how bad this looked for him, maybe to avoid exactly what's happening right now with the hearing. Whatever the case, he gets no credit for backpedaling after winding up his followers, pointing them towards the capitol building and watching them go.
So you're telling me if Biden had said those words and his followers had broken into the capitol building to stop Biden being deposed...you'd be content to let it go?
@Pikachu Trump said to the protesters before marching to the Capitol: "“We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
Because riling up a group of emotional people by telling them they're being robbed, that the enemy is taking away your democracy, that you have to fight and be strong or you'll end up with an illegitimate government, churning them into a frothing frenzy, pointing them at the capitol building and then adding "peaceful" in at the end is way too little way too late.
If the situation was reversed, I’d still think that Biden was an idiot suffering from dementia. I’d still think that Trump is a megalomaniac. Neither is fixable. Neither should’ve had their party’s support to run as a Presidential candidate.
That said, the election was lost fairly and by a wide margin. Jan 6 was not treason. It was an uprising. The event speaks volumes about the division of Americans. However, it pales in comparison to the division that preceded it, BLM.
@Pikachu What do I call it? I call it a protest, remember like BLM.. only they (some) were armed, violent and burned down buildings.
They were stupid for sure, but they never tried to occupy the Capitol. Now, if I break into your house, it’s breaking and entering. It’s not armed robbery. It’s not kidnapping. It’s the same with the Capitol, a bunch of idiots/houligans With a half of a plan and a half of a brain - much like Trump.
I guess i just don't have as high a bar for force as you do. As soon as they abandoned the agreement we all make to abide by the results of a democratic election and showed up en masse to stop the election, that's using force.
If they had showed up and stayed outside the buildings that would have been a protest. But they didn't stop there. That's force.
