Why do liberals blame the rich for our problems?
It was Muslims and Mexicans who caused the banking crisis. George Soros is evil, unlike the Koch brothers who friends of the working man.
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Tatsumi · 31-35, M
You're trolling, right. You're trolling. I almost answered seriously. But, just in case, read Das Kapital. Essentially, it's because capitalism is a system in which the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. When money is power, it's rule by merchant.
What is the point of a business? To earn profit. Nothing else. It seeks that goal and nothing more. In order to maximize that goal, they want to take advantage of workers as much as possible. Government regulations seek to stop this, but since money is power, rule by merchant comes into play. Through legal lobbying (bribing), large companies can dictate legislation to further maximize their profits and cut benefits to workers.
Doubly so, the ultra wealthy owners of large corporations contribute nothing to society. The only reason they make money is because they purchased means of production, then hired workers to make them money. They essentially just sit around and make more money than all of their employees--the ones who are actually producing for society--combined twice, thrice over.
It's nothing short of slavery; only slavery's definition changed to encompass everyone. And the best kind of slave is one that doesn't even know they're a slave.
People on the left blame the rich, due to the ever-widening income inequality. Mexicans and Muslims didn't increase the gap between the rich and the poor since the 1970s. 1% of the population owns 50% of [b]all [/b]the wealth and around 25% of all the money. The reason the left blames the rich is because this income gap gets wider and wider every year, because the rich seek more and more and more profit; it's never enough. And it's going to destroy the middle class.
What is the point of a business? To earn profit. Nothing else. It seeks that goal and nothing more. In order to maximize that goal, they want to take advantage of workers as much as possible. Government regulations seek to stop this, but since money is power, rule by merchant comes into play. Through legal lobbying (bribing), large companies can dictate legislation to further maximize their profits and cut benefits to workers.
Doubly so, the ultra wealthy owners of large corporations contribute nothing to society. The only reason they make money is because they purchased means of production, then hired workers to make them money. They essentially just sit around and make more money than all of their employees--the ones who are actually producing for society--combined twice, thrice over.
It's nothing short of slavery; only slavery's definition changed to encompass everyone. And the best kind of slave is one that doesn't even know they're a slave.
People on the left blame the rich, due to the ever-widening income inequality. Mexicans and Muslims didn't increase the gap between the rich and the poor since the 1970s. 1% of the population owns 50% of [b]all [/b]the wealth and around 25% of all the money. The reason the left blames the rich is because this income gap gets wider and wider every year, because the rich seek more and more and more profit; it's never enough. And it's going to destroy the middle class.
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TexChik · F
@Kuronekko: oh great, now libs are telling me what I think .. you haven't a clue.
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Tatsumi · 31-35, M
@satanburger: [b]TL;DR[/b] [i]Yes, and the right likes to ignore that capitalism also results in running out of money, shown by numerous countries like Greece, Italy, Spain, Africa, Malaysia, etc: not to mention the many financial crises we've had: only thing keeping us afloat is preying on 3rd world resources, at their expense. And, yes, there are socialist programs in the U.S. Many that work. Public education was still publically funded in the 50s and 60s, when it was the best in the world.
The point of the question was in response to "Socialism NEVER works". Well, yes, it does. No one was saying "copy everything Sweden does". What we should say is that social programs do very well for Germany--majorly capitalist, but with free college and worker training, the same with much more socialist, yet still capitalist Denmark. The point is: social programs are IMPORTANT. [/i]
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And I'll say the problem with capitalism is the same thing. They're always running out of other peoples' money, due to insidious corruption. I'd rather be running out of money when all my peoples' stomachs are full and they are happy and stable, rather than running out of money as crime and violence skyrockets due to lack of social programs.
"Certain factors". Mhm. And these "certain factors" are just "certain", despite being undefined?
Yes, and righties like to say "BUT THE U.S.", while ignoring Honduras, Africa, Spain, Italy, Greece, Mexico, The Philippines, Russia, Ukraine, Malaysia, etc, etc. Capitalism breeds corruption and instigates violence and crime via inevitable wealth inequality. Americans are largely under the mistaken impression that capitalism creates candy and kittens and fountains of joy and prosperity, anywhere it exists. It does not.
And the US isn't even a good example of working capitalism, incidentally. We have a financial crisis every other decade. Or every decade. Remember the big one recently? The result of giant banks betting on both sides of the housing market and destroying everything, as a result of their infinite greed? Of predatory lending and excessive risk taking?
And what happened to them? They got bailed out by the taxpayers. Including TARP, Around 13 TRILLION dollars of taxpayer money was spent to keep big business alive when it should have failed, not just the 1 trillion that was directly handed to them. That is the point. "Too big to fail." That is power. And that is the power that is collected in free market capitalism; that's what happens when government regulations do not control the growth of conglomerates. That's what happens when you deregulate.
That is the issue in capitalism. Monopolies, which will inevitably form, as money is power in capitalism. Whatever government regulations exist will be overpowered, eventually. The rich have too much power. And they will use that power to obtain more power, even if it destroys the American economy--even if it destroys what made America great: the middle class. So, as I said, capitalism also means running out of money.
Yes. Good quote from a no-name author with 0 qualifications. Exactly how is the United States a "social society". It's pure individualism.
No one is saying "Copy everything the Swedish do." Obviously there is a cultural difference. I agree, as Switzerland has a significantly high rate of firearm ownership, yet very little homicide. That is an exception that exists nowhere else, and cannot be repeated in the US due to a difference of culture.
You're response is a misnomer, as no one claimed that we should copy everything Sweden does. It was a claim in defiance of the statement "Socialism has NEVER worked." Well, incorrect. It has worked.
Yes. Let us not forget that America is a mixed economy with many socialist programs. It has worked, and it works on a daily basis in America, as a mixed economy.
Public education was still publically funded in the 1950s and 60s when it was the best in the world. America's socialism shows in the form of social security; medicare; police; fire fighters; public recreation centers; public libraries, and probably more.
This issue of misallocated money....is an issue of misallocated money. Not an inherent issue with socialism. The thing that destroyed American public education was No Child Left Behind [all children left behind] and Rise To The Top. Not public funding. Where the money comes from has nothing to do with how it is spent.
And, as I just stated, is the same true of police? Recreation centers? Libraries? Fire Fighters? Are they also faulty systems because they are socialist?
As for the inner city, maybe that whole 250 years of slavery and oppression had something to do with something. That is an issue that is not easily fixed by capitalism or socialism. It will take time. And creating pay-for-everything-out-of-pocket won't help the inner city or the crime rates. It will make things worse. Way worse.
Would you suggest making public schools private? Or making the police private? So you'd have to pay the police to come and rescue you when someone was invading your home? Give them your credit card number, as someone is putting a gun to your head?
The point of the question was in response to "Socialism NEVER works". Well, yes, it does. No one was saying "copy everything Sweden does". What we should say is that social programs do very well for Germany--majorly capitalist, but with free college and worker training, the same with much more socialist, yet still capitalist Denmark. The point is: social programs are IMPORTANT. [/i]
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And I'll say the problem with capitalism is the same thing. They're always running out of other peoples' money, due to insidious corruption. I'd rather be running out of money when all my peoples' stomachs are full and they are happy and stable, rather than running out of money as crime and violence skyrockets due to lack of social programs.
"Certain factors". Mhm. And these "certain factors" are just "certain", despite being undefined?
Yes, and righties like to say "BUT THE U.S.", while ignoring Honduras, Africa, Spain, Italy, Greece, Mexico, The Philippines, Russia, Ukraine, Malaysia, etc, etc. Capitalism breeds corruption and instigates violence and crime via inevitable wealth inequality. Americans are largely under the mistaken impression that capitalism creates candy and kittens and fountains of joy and prosperity, anywhere it exists. It does not.
And the US isn't even a good example of working capitalism, incidentally. We have a financial crisis every other decade. Or every decade. Remember the big one recently? The result of giant banks betting on both sides of the housing market and destroying everything, as a result of their infinite greed? Of predatory lending and excessive risk taking?
And what happened to them? They got bailed out by the taxpayers. Including TARP, Around 13 TRILLION dollars of taxpayer money was spent to keep big business alive when it should have failed, not just the 1 trillion that was directly handed to them. That is the point. "Too big to fail." That is power. And that is the power that is collected in free market capitalism; that's what happens when government regulations do not control the growth of conglomerates. That's what happens when you deregulate.
That is the issue in capitalism. Monopolies, which will inevitably form, as money is power in capitalism. Whatever government regulations exist will be overpowered, eventually. The rich have too much power. And they will use that power to obtain more power, even if it destroys the American economy--even if it destroys what made America great: the middle class. So, as I said, capitalism also means running out of money.
Yes. Good quote from a no-name author with 0 qualifications. Exactly how is the United States a "social society". It's pure individualism.
No one is saying "Copy everything the Swedish do." Obviously there is a cultural difference. I agree, as Switzerland has a significantly high rate of firearm ownership, yet very little homicide. That is an exception that exists nowhere else, and cannot be repeated in the US due to a difference of culture.
You're response is a misnomer, as no one claimed that we should copy everything Sweden does. It was a claim in defiance of the statement "Socialism has NEVER worked." Well, incorrect. It has worked.
Yes. Let us not forget that America is a mixed economy with many socialist programs. It has worked, and it works on a daily basis in America, as a mixed economy.
Public education was still publically funded in the 1950s and 60s when it was the best in the world. America's socialism shows in the form of social security; medicare; police; fire fighters; public recreation centers; public libraries, and probably more.
This issue of misallocated money....is an issue of misallocated money. Not an inherent issue with socialism. The thing that destroyed American public education was No Child Left Behind [all children left behind] and Rise To The Top. Not public funding. Where the money comes from has nothing to do with how it is spent.
And, as I just stated, is the same true of police? Recreation centers? Libraries? Fire Fighters? Are they also faulty systems because they are socialist?
As for the inner city, maybe that whole 250 years of slavery and oppression had something to do with something. That is an issue that is not easily fixed by capitalism or socialism. It will take time. And creating pay-for-everything-out-of-pocket won't help the inner city or the crime rates. It will make things worse. Way worse.
Would you suggest making public schools private? Or making the police private? So you'd have to pay the police to come and rescue you when someone was invading your home? Give them your credit card number, as someone is putting a gun to your head?
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Karlbodge · 22-25, M
@satanburger: [quote]Yeah and that's the sad part because it undermines actual crimes being done to actual victims.[/quote]
What actually undermines it is a criminal justice system that actually fails to sentence the vast majority of rapists and those people who take any opportunity to dismiss the credibility of multiple rape claims because of partisan political bias.
https://www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system
What are the odds then that Trump is innocent of all charges?
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What actually undermines it is a criminal justice system that actually fails to sentence the vast majority of rapists and those people who take any opportunity to dismiss the credibility of multiple rape claims because of partisan political bias.
https://www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system
What are the odds then that Trump is innocent of all charges?
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jackjjackson · 61-69, M
@Karlbodge: 100% obviously
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@Jackjjacksonjr: Oh, I know KarlBodge is a troll. Goralski is as well?
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
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@Jackjjacksonjr: Sigh. I can't tell anymore...
sunsetsoareomyofavourite · 22-25, F
ReaperofTime · 46-50, M
Goralski · 51-55, M
No bill Clinton was
Karlbodge · 22-25, M
@Goralski: He was still doing it in 2007 too. What an a**hole.
Karlbodge · 22-25, M
@satanburger: Yes of course this post was trolling and with the intention to satirize. But I got serious when people agreed with my piss-take arguments and then went even further. Its too much BS even for me. Pretending to hate jews 'cos its funny' is qualitatively different in intent to mocking racism.
You are using every obfuscation technique in the book. No there is not legal proof yet that Trump did those things but there is everything but. He bragged about sexual assault, women agree with him and so does America's most prestigious Conservative publication. The odds on him not having done those things are negligible, as deep down you know.
You are a reality denialist and you will make excuses for any rape not done by libtards.
I wish you all the best.
:-)
You are using every obfuscation technique in the book. No there is not legal proof yet that Trump did those things but there is everything but. He bragged about sexual assault, women agree with him and so does America's most prestigious Conservative publication. The odds on him not having done those things are negligible, as deep down you know.
You are a reality denialist and you will make excuses for any rape not done by libtards.
I wish you all the best.
:-)
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Karlbodge · 22-25, M
Apart from those that are rich who are just haters poor white people who hate Muslims and Mexicans. Twisted.
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Karlbodge · 22-25, M
@TexChik: No they are hard freedom loving citizens like you and me.
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Kingfish · 31-35, M
Why do you keep deleting my posts Shlomo? Are you dumb and reactionary or something?