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Switzerland has a long history of proud gun ownership.

They can own anything from handguns to fully automatic rifles. The Swiss are always very competitive in marksmanship competitions and have a culture of shooting. In order to obtain a firearm Swiss citizens must apply for a permit and are checked for criminal and mental issues.

Sounds sensible to me..
spjennifer · 61-69, T
Switzerland also has mandatory Military service for men and all must complete an annual shooting test to ensure they still know how to shoot for the duration of their military obligation which ends at 38 for enlisted and at 50 for Officers, they also spend a certain amount of compensated time serving every year during their obligation.
spjennifer · 61-69, T
@Ferise1 Ok, you may be right, it used to be 38 but that was maybe 10 years ago last I'd heard about it from friends there 😊
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
@spjennifer Sort of sounds like what the Second Amendment writers meant when they specified "well-regulated militia" as justification for the right to bear arms.
spjennifer · 61-69, T
@dancingtongue And Switzerland does indeed have a "well regulated" militia and there are serious penalties for gun crimes. Here, it's the gun fetishists, gun manufacturers and the NRA that have completely fucked up the interpretation of our 2nd Amendment to sell more and more guns, seriously 400M+ guns for 330M population???
Graylight · 51-55, F
No, it's something particular to Americans. We destroy everything we touch by going overboard. We are literally the Jump the Shark country. Bigger/better/faster/ stronger/more...this is our mantra.

So when it comes to what could be sane issue about guns and individual rights, Americans turn it into a shriek-fest nearly completely devoid of actual information.
@Graylight "Not Invented Here" Syndrome, too.
EvilEmma · F
the problem isnt the guns... its the americans attitude to guns...

americans love their guns... they think they need them for self defense and they are scared of the queen of england... and they see guns as a compensation for small dicks.

thats not a healthy attitude towards guns... people who claim they need a gun to solve problems like self defense absokutely never ever should have access to a gun.

people who dont care if they have a gun and use it for sports and hunting only but wouldnt throw a tantrum if they are restricted those people totally could have guns.

bascially the more you want a gun.. the less you should have one.
@EvilEmma The ability to quickly turn to guns as a way to solve problems..ike even being cut off in traffic...just horrific and sad.
slowmarch · M
The Swiss are a very educated nation in many things including many are multilingual. Unfortunately, if people wish to kill they will do so with firearms or not. The U.K. has very strict legislation on firearm ownership, this does not stop the knife killings and crossbow murders. Just saying.
@Ferise1 The question was asked about crossbows. lol
@slowmarch

Unfortunately, if people wish to kill they will do so with firearms or not.

Some will, yes. But why make it easier to kill from afar, to kill quickly, to kill many...even to actually kill more easily than to "merely" wound?

Having to kill up close is a very different proposition and people who think of killing as a video game/at a distance...I think the up-close-and-personal bit will deter some/many of them. Not everyone can kill someone ike that.

The U.K. has very strict legislation on firearm ownership, this does not stop the knife killings and crossbow murders. Just saying.

Again, it isn't a good argument for making killing easier, more deadly, more efficient, more distant.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@slowmarch Crossbow murders in the UK? Very rare! I don't know easy it is to obtain crossbows legally, or even if they are legal, in Britain but they are nearly unknown; certainly outside of archery-clubs which I think anyway normally use long-bows.

Knives yes, most (not all, of course) are between young gangs caught up in obscenities such as drugs dealing. Large knives are easy to obtain - just steal one from the kitchen - but there are legal controls on buying any type of knife, including banning those types with no genuine peaceful uses.

This though is missing the point.... Or trying to use one way of murdering people to justify the means for another.

The stark fact is that no-one outside of the Armed Services within its own controls, needs own military-pattern weapons, whether of 21C or 11C type. There is absolutely no justification whatsoever for any public ownership and availability of these things.


So why do so many Americans think they "need" own even one gun?

I think a lot of it is fear. Not just the heavily-political romanticism of a carefully-edited version of an 18C legal amendment ( so laws can be amended) for a nation of European settlers not yet having formal army and police; and still fighting other Europeans' colonies, each other and the original residents.

Perhaps a deeply-divided society heavy in real violence, pretend violence in "entertainment" and near-unfettered gun ownership, forms its own fringe-law arms-race. "He who might rob me or burgle my home is probably armed so I'd better be more heavily armed". The criminal realises that so responds in kind. So the law-abiding one, frightened, buys even more weapons and more powerful ones at that.

Tragically, some unwittingly help both arms thefts and accidental shootings by security carelessness or negligence.

Very many Americans own no gun, so must feel neither need nor want of one. Perhaps they don't want the burden that owning a gun for any but a genuine sporting or agricultural reason, implies intent to maim or kill another human being, however they might claim "self-defence".

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Although we have suffered from para-political terrorist attacks using bombs, vehicles and knives, the UK and most other developed nations do not suffer indiscriminate mass-murders for no clear motives, at near-routine levels.

Often "no clear motive" because if the murderer shoots himself or is shot dead at the scene, unless he is later found to have left definite notices of intent and reason, any ascribed motive is speculative. His own death means he cannot be tried in Court, making it far harder to understand what drives some people to commit such murders, hence try to spot and act on the danger signs in others. Very hard, I know, and foiling terrorist attacks also needs other intelligence surveillance approaches.

There have been only about four such non-"political" shootings of complete, and innocent, strangers in more than forty years in the UK; though the worst was in a primary school (Dunblane, with 14 killed).

Further, no-one here tries to exploit such murders in party-politics. Instead, irrespective of political ideology all condemn them out of hand, demand to know how it could have happened, and do not try to blame the victims. If anything, they demand even tighter gun controls, and I think that did happen after the Dunblane atrocity. Some criminals still manage to obtain fire-arms by theft or the illegal arms-trade, usually to shoot each other, but it is very unusual.

Every so often County police-forces here run amnesties that collect and destroy a surprising number and variety of weapons. Apart from war-"souvenir" guns or bayonets, most had probably never been used to kill anyone. One Force donates the wood from scrapped guns' stocks, to a local "Men In Sheds" charity.

In recent years many British schools have been increasing their physical security, but whatever they fear is very unlikely to be embittered young men armed with assault-rifles from the supermarket.
dakotaviper · 56-60, M
Don't forget Finland or Israel.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
Switzerland is awesome . Lived there from 1988-1992.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@Ferise1 Zurich is a cool city . Bern is full of druggies. Lol
I lived in canton Vaud pres de montreux.
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AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@Ferise1 I couldn’t believe they had palm trees in Switzerland. Lol
Lake Geneva never freezes bc of thermal springs .
Changeisgonnacome · 61-69, F
@bijouxbroussard y. We know. We know you want to keep the guns, like the way it is, now.
*America is killing itself: The world reacts with horror and incomprehension at Texas shooting*
Front page of the Guardian.
It's on the front page of the papers everywhere.
Excuse my ignorance but doesn’t that happen everywhere? How does one obtain a gun in the States?
Quetzalcoatlus · 46-50, M
@LilithoftheTrees Most states require a basic background check, none require a mental eval. There are legal loopholes to get around the criminal check. Private sales require nothing in some states....
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@LilithoftheTrees It depends upon whether you are getting a "long gun" (shotgun, rifle) or a handgun. The latter require a specific license to the individual, for instance, probably in all jurisdictions (ATF).

But a lot of guys do seem to measure their dicks with trucks, guns, etc.
caesar7 · 61-69, M
I bet they are raised differently than north Americans and have proper training and etiquette about using dangerous weapons.
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CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M
If elected president, I promise to implement gun laws modeled after the Swiss system.
Changeisgonnacome · 61-69, F
@CorvusBlackthorne the people will be just blown away.
spjennifer · 61-69, T
@Changeisgonnacome They are already being "blown away" 😥
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luckranger71 · 51-55, M
@Ferise1
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