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I see another post by a homophobic christian. She's entitled to her beliefs, isn't she?

It's really not surprising how many Christians are homophobic and anti-BLM. That was a huge thing that made me realize how NOT Jesus-like Christianity is.

It’s no coincidence that the ex-vangelical and Christian deconstruction movement happened at the same time as the movement for Black lives. Christian Supremacy is such a huge source of injustice in the US. One of the most important aspects of my own anti-racism journey started with deconstructing the Christian faith that I was raised in.

This is controversial because Christian supremacist ideology is really pervasive in Black churches too. They don't like the racist parts but they do embrace the homophobia and sexism. And they don't see how it's all related.

When you think beyond White supremacy to see that's it's just one part of the umbrella of Christian supremacy, it's really a game-changer. Christian Supremacy is multiple forms of oppression and Supremacy, all wrapped into one.
Graylight · 51-55, F Best Comment
The New England colonies have often been called "Bible Commonwealths" because they sought the guidance of the scriptures in regulating all aspects of the lives of their citizens.

Not a good start for a society.

Criminal laws in the early New England colonies were based on the scriptures, especially the Old Testament. Many civil laws and procedures were modelled after the English common law. Puritans banned fancy clothing, living with Indians and smoking in public. Hell, they even banned Christmas for a while.

And that’s where a lot of trouble comes in, I think. Religion, as written by man, has with rare exception a plot line that reads as such: "There’s this chosen group, favored by God among all others. That makes everything they do and think right, of course. So anyway, this chosen group makes up, like, a shit-ton of laws that make it really, really hard for people to join them. And since God loves them best, he lets them tell everyone what’s icky and what’s not."

“Okay, but what kind of evidence will this group have that no one else has to make it so powerf—”

“Dude, chill. We’ve got loads of car chases and explosions.”

Meaning, they rely only on fear and distaste, which inevitably translates as vitriol and hateful self-righteousness. When it comes to actual context, meaning, reasoning or history, they go to deflection, diversion and straw-men arguments.

Is the woman you speak of allowed her opinion? Not if it’s based on misinformation, no. Not if it’s based in malice, no. Not if it’s meant to intimidate or demean, no. As a college professor once told us, everyone’s entitled to an informed opinion. The 1st Amendment remains in effect, but so do consequences.

Sources: Library of Congress: https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel01.html

https://www.newenglandhistoricalsociety.com/puritans-ban-gambling-and-whole-lot-things/#:~:text=Seven%20months%20after%20gaming%20was,would%20cost%20you%20five%20shillings.

[This is from and American perspective, but it overlays any country.]
Randi1125 · 31-35, F
@Graylight

Woot woot!!! I'm on the Graylight train! Nothing can stop us!!!
Graylight · 51-55, F
@Randi1125 Done...it's a ticket. I wonder who the conservatives would run. I can think of a couple who'd think they were ordained.
Randi1125 · 31-35, F
@Graylight

Haha! This would be a fun game!

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Of course she's entitled to her beliefs but she doesn't understand what she's talking about.

When atheists say things like "believing in God is like believing in Santa Claus", I think theists are right to point out that they don't understand faith, because that is a very ignorant approach to faith and its role in people's lives.

But if a Christian is saying that being gay is a choice and that male homosexuality is men pretending to be women, then it's clear they don't understand homosexuality or sexual orientation at all.

If they want to understand, then by all means, but coming from this anti-homosexual Christian perspective is usually not conducive to understanding. It just results in repeating what they already believe and plugging their ears to different perspectives. They have the dogma: homosexuality is wrong and must be a choice because it can't come from God. Discussion over. So what's the point?
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@LeopoldBloom Absolutely. That is a perfect analogy and it reveals the disingenuousness of it. No Christian would think “I hate Christianity” is compatible with love for them.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@LeopoldBloom I've not down voted anyone either. Your idea of doing it if it wasn't anonymous is appealing, though. I've not blocked anyone either.
Randi1125 · 31-35, F
@LeopoldBloom

YES!!!! This is so well articulated. ❤️
I think some on here are Christian Phobics. Just think how many people rant and rave about "the same old thing day after day" and then complain the Christians write the same thing day after day, but that's okay... as long as you're not a Christian, God forbid! You can write anything, and some pretty filthy stuff...and apparently even attack Christians right and left, or write hateful accusing posts, but "that's okay", and your post is nothing but you trying to stir up the hate pot on racism then blame it on Christians. It is a hateful post. There never used to be posts here whose agenda is to blame racism on religions of any sort. I've been here from the beginning and we never had any such thing. Please take your hateful accusations and go elsewhere. You're the problem...stirring up hate amongst groups...not Christians.
Randi1125 · 31-35, F
@LadyGrace

questioning religion = being disrespectful??? Grow up! No topic is off-limits. Study more and you’ll be able to grasp that concept.
@Randi1125 Your obvious pathological attempt to attack, exploit, and invalidate my answers are falling on deaf ears, and proof of your hateful attempts to attack Christians. Better luck next time. You grow up. Hate is off limits here.
Randi1125 · 31-35, F
@LadyGrace

What about this summation is biased and inaccurate? Or does having the ludicrousness of it spelled out make you uncomfortable? Christians are such snowflakes.
Yes. Most organized religions are homophobic. And in the U.S., a lot of these white Christian churches who won’t marry same-sex couples refused interracial couples before Loving v. Virginia. When people from black churches were calling, seeking support for a "sanctity of marriage" state proposition (before Obergefell v. Hodges) I informed several of that fact and asked how someone who’d probably known discrimination could visit it upon others. 😳
spjennifer · 56-60, T
@Randi1125 Well, I questioned it by myself, I mean I knew it was all fantasy and fiction but at that time, I wasn't old enough, 12-13, or wise enough to understand the implications of disputing it all. As a gay teen, I kept it all deeply in the closet as neither my parents or the Church would have accepted me as I was an "evil sinner"!
@spjennifer the church is where the evil sinners are
spjennifer · 56-60, T
@DIABLISS That isn't necessarily true, I'd more say misguided or misinformed, some intentionally. Not all people who belong to churches are bad or evil, same as it is in day to day life. I have met and know some very decent people who happen to be religious, as long as they don't judge me, I don't judge them.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
God loves us all, provided we fit his followers' interpretation of what they believe God wants.

At least my dog loves me unconditionally.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@SatanBurger So true. But I'd like to point out that humans aren't born with any preconceived opinions about the world, either. It's our upbringing that instills us with our conceptions of the world, both good and bad.

On a side note, two of my acquaintances had cattle dogs in the past. Both are extremely racist. Because their dogs reacted negatively to First Nations people, they both independently came to the conclusion that cattle dogs hate Aboriginals. I attempted to show them the errors in their logic, but you know how it is, head meet brick wall, lol.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Bushranger Haha that last part I shouldn't find amusing but I kind of kind lol. At least you tried.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@SatanBurger Hitting my head on a brick wall would have been less painful, lol.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
They are entitled to their beliefs but despite what many "freedumb" people say that they have freedom of speech, I'm also equally entitled to express my own opinion. If I disagree with them and say so, that's not disrespecting beliefs, it's just natural discourse. If I think their comments are hateful, I think I'm allowed to say something.

Freedom of speech and freedom to challenge beliefs are equal as far as I'm concerned.
Randi1125 · 31-35, F
@SatanBurger

Absolutely! I tend to answer in the same tone they use with me. I wish I had more self-control. No, I don't.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Randi1125 I am the same way, I have self control to an extent but if they keep being nasty, I can be nasty too. That's why I just call them the "freedumb" people, they just want the freedom to be stupid rather than freedom of speech. They want to say anything they want and not get hit for being a moron 😆
Randi1125 · 31-35, F
@SatanBurger

Ha! I can so relate. And for me, misogynist women are the worst! I wish I could just keep my mouth shut but I can't.
The modern anti-abortion movement in the U.S. was started by racists like Jerry Falwell, when he realized that opposing integration was becoming unpopular. So he pivoted to opposing abortion and gay rights. Falwell and other segregationists were the ideological heirs of the supporters of Jim Crow and slavery. You can draw a straight line through them to the present day.

I'm not saying all Christians are bad or that Christianity is responsible for these evils. After all, Martin Luther King Jr. was a Christian minister, and some of the greatest fighters for social justice in the U.S. were Christians going back to the abolitionists. But conservative Christianity more often than not has been a force for evil.
@soar2newhighs No, that's the conservative view. My view is the rights of people who are already born take precedence, and forcing a woman to give birth against her will is no different than forcing her to pick your cotton without paying her. Forced birth is slavery.
@LeopoldBloom ok, like you say, your view.
@soar2newhighs It's my view that that's the conservative view? OK.
It should not be shocking to realize EVERY aspect of our society - that promotes hatred and division - is led by a patriarchal infrasture of white men afraid of change. Until we collectively agree to pick up a rock and smash the glass ceiling we are destined to wither on about it. White men have the money and power but they are in a postion of authority becasue we put them there ... and we can replace them with individuals that represent all of us.
@whippersnapper hey i am a old white man . and please look at my profile and post and whitepages.. humm white pages is that racist wonder if i can change that color to grey. being all things are a shade of grey.
@markansas When I was a teenager I thought everything was black and white. I was quite unhappily militant and rigid in my beliefs. As I have aged I see the world completely grey and I am happier to embrace everyone ... not just people who look like me.

I have no idea if you meant to be funny in your posts but you have put a smile on my face. It's nice to interject levity in these trying times.
@whippersnapper the smile is what i wanted. and yes even i have changed in time for the better i think. and sometime if you dont laugh you cry. if you look at my friends and what they post you will see others that believe as i do or i should say as we do. i read your profile before i followed you . if i did not like what i saw i would have walked away and not replied. yet here we are finding common ground. so welcome home. yours mark
spjennifer · 56-60, T
The issue is that most of the truly hardcore Christian homophobes don't even know why they are against it. They've been brainwashed their entire lives to despise homosexuals as "sinners", thieves and adulterers are sinners too but the Christians don't hate them, they are willing to "forgive them their sins" but robbery and adultery aren't genetic or biological, they ARE choices. Homosexuality isn't a "choice", it's biological, same as it is for straight people...
Randi1125 · 31-35, F
@spjennifer

Brainwashed. That's exactly what they are. And the fact these neanderthals are creating laws for EVERYONE based on their beliefs?! Unreal.
spjennifer · 56-60, T
@Randi1125 Yes, they aren't only brainwashed though, brainwashing can be overcome, these people don't want to change, adapt or see that the world around them is changing!
LoveKitty · 22-25, F
And yet God has never and will never have a wife. Maybe he's a closet gay. 😲
@LeopoldBloom what i liked was the family values and the fact when they go out it is in two ministers at a time for all persons safety so there is no impropriety.
and they are all over the world helping the poor. and yes they have there flaws like all people do. but for the most part they do good and take care of there own. food banks. resting homes for the elderly and all of the are church funded. just plain good people. i just dont believe in god anymore.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@markansas I am not religious but I do know things about various religions. Religions can be useful when they help people cope with the trials and tribulations of a harsh existence. However, the bottom line is that all religions are just con games to control superstitious people. Joseph Smith was an excellent BS'er because he came up with a fairy tale that appealed to sexually promiscuous people. The guys loved it because they got a harem and they get to be gods with their own planets and big harems in the afterlife. Which dummy in 1830 wouldn't fall for that?

Is that magic underwear keeping you safe?
@markansas Too often, "family values" is code for "death to LGBT."

However, the Mormons eventually changed their stance on Black people, so eventually they may change their stance on LGBT.
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
Christian supremacy 😂😂😂 Christian’s are more accepted to be hated than any other religion. Get over yourself

You aren’t more correct than her because you disagree with her lifestyle
Randi1125 · 31-35, F
@DeluxedEdition

Oh my, your christian persecution complex is strong. Suck it up, buttercup. It's all imaginary.
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
@Randi1125 the irony is strong here ☕️ 🐸
Randi1125 · 31-35, F
@DeluxedEdition

If you're trying to master sarcasm, you failed.
Try again.
🥱
Adaydreambeliever · 56-60, F
Well written. I would say yes, she is entitled to her opinion but then so too are other people entitled to disagree with her and explain the reasons she is wrong.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@Adaydreambeliever I think what a lot of people miss is the subtle but crucial difference between "entitled to" and "guaranteed by federal law."

Within the limits of Constitutional interpretations, all may speak freely. But don't think that warrants an invitation to announce your ignorance to all within earshot, you know?
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
So lets look at this another way. The homosexual shall not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven according to St Paul. Therefore if you love someone who chooses to live a homosexual lifestyle then wouldn't you be moved to tell them that they are missing out?
@hippyjoe1955 So basically, there's no evidence, but you don't want to admit it now.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@BohemianBoo Says you who two minutes ago didn't know that oral sex and throat cancer are even related. Hmmmm. Too funny. Run along son. You have research to do.
@hippyjoe1955 I never said you can't get an STD orally. I said you can't get throat cancer from the act of sucking dick. Likewise, you can't get aids from the act of vaginal sex, but you can transmit aids that way.
You're being bad faith now because you know I'm right. There's no evidence that semen causes throat cancer for males. Just be an adult and admit it.
Exactly, she IS entitled to her beliefs just as others are who see whites as “ privileged” and “ white supremacists”.
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
@Randi1125 feel free to critique it. That’s your right.
Randi1125 · 31-35, F
@DeluxedEdition

Well, golly gee. Thank you for your permission.
@Elessar True…
Keepitsimple · 51-55, F
They are usually the first to judge and huge hypocrites, trust me. I had to write my cousins and their mother off because they are whacky. They make being Catholic a cake walk.
SubstantialKick · 31-35, M
She's not an actual Christian. She may call herself one, but she is definitely NOT one. Let's get that right.
Randi1125 · 31-35, F
@SubstantialKick

Calm down. I'll take your word for it.
Dino11 · M
They are living in the past, we have laws regarding that now.
Randi1125 · 31-35, F
@Dino11 yep
Adstar · 56-60, M
Jesus is super forgiving.. But to be forgiven one must acknowledge the wrong they did and acknowledge they need forgiveness for that wrong..

Forgiving people who are proud of their wrong is the same as corruption and just will not happen..

Christians give warning of Gods judgement on Sin and also show the Way God has made for all sinners to be forgiven.. But as i have said above if a person refuses to acknowledge their sin and seek Gods forgiveness they will never be forgiven.. And to be unforgiven by God is THE worst eternal outcome for a human being..

You can call it Christian supremacy or any other overblown ranting descriptions if you like.. That will never change the ultimate reality that if anyone wants to have eternal life then they need to play it by Gods terms, not their own..
@Adstar I'd blow Jesus.
Adstar · 56-60, M
@BohemianBoo No you would not..
@Adstar I so would.
myself i think it is time to TAX THE CHURCH. look at all the scandals the catholic church has done over the years. and not many priest is in jail for them.A Church-commissioned report in 2004 said more than 4,000 US Roman Catholic priests had faced sexual abuse allegations in the last 50 years, in cases involving more than 10,000 children - mostly boys.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-44209971
Randi1125 · 31-35, F
@markansas

Yes! It is WAY past time to tax the churches!
People can think what they want, but they can't expect everyone else to follow their beliefs + not face the consequences of being discriminatory because it's what they believe in. That's the Christian Nationalist bullshit you see in a lot of countries (thanks, colonizers).
It is frustrating and suffocating. I guess we just have to try to do better and be willing to examine our own flaws, and support the people who are affected by this hateful bs. That includes supposedly more "open-minded" Christians who go around yelling "not all Christians!" when someone points out how hateful many of them are. That offended energy would be better used encouraging other people of their faith to see the humanity in all the different people they hate so much.

It's really difficult for me to understand why anyone who knows even a little bit about the history of the church choses stay and continue to believe it is a "loving religion". You can have spirituality without the bs of organized religion.
Randi1125 · 31-35, F
@AmbivalentFriability

God brought himself down to earth, to sacrifice himself to himself, to save us from himself and the hell he created. Seems legit. What's your problem?

Seriously, I agree with everything you said. I don't get it either. It's a cult as far as I'm concerned.
i wish i could live in a world without religions and other nonsensical belief systems...a place where it doesn't matter your sex or color or preferences...a place where people judge you by your actions and sense of morality...no homelessness, no bombs, no guns...and no perversions.

guess i'll go watch the Andy Griffith show
Christianity at least allows you to discuss its flaws… some religions will slaughter you if you so much as question anything they do. So don’t think other religions are pure just because it’s not discussed openly.
Randi1125 · 31-35, F
@Vivaci

I'm not sure how that's relevant to the conversation.
@Vivaci Christianity doesn't allow open discussion either and they are also well known for slaughtering others. Its not a one is better than the other religion. All religions are flawed.
Randi1125 · 31-35, F
@canusernamebemyusername

Yeah, I wasn't understanding that comment at all.
JonathanSJ · 36-40, M
You are also entitled to your belief of SITTING IN YOUR COUCH and then posting I STAND WITH UKRAINE
JonathanSJ · 36-40, M
@Randi1125 Looks like you are sleeping on weapons.
Randi1125 · 31-35, F
@JonathanSJ

Mmkay. Sure. I realize you're a delusional pos but you just struck a nerve. I'll be taking the garbage out now. Good riddance!!
Graylight · 51-55, F
@JonathanSJ Told you.

I know guys like you know all the answers and that all answers begin with aggression, but you should temper it with at least a 6th grade education.
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Idk what’s up with people and religion on here
Randi1125 · 31-35, F
@SW-User

I post more than religion but you might want to mute me for the hell of it.
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@Randi1125 I’ll keep that in mind
@SW-User That is their right to do so albeit others feel they shouldn’t.
Wiseacre · F
Of course...these two things go together...they're also against women's rights, thus misogynous.
Can you link the post
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@Randi1125 How would that break any rules?
Randi1125 · 31-35, F
@ninalanyon

I'm not sure. I'm relatively new here and people keep telling me I'm violating TOS. Posting the name of another member? I really don't know.
@Randi1125 i found it
@SatanBurger @SatanBurger my suggestion is to google the bill it is
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very likely there. As for Christian sites, I can’t say about them. Look for reputable news sources. But I found this.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@soar2newhighs See, the original news story though came from Natural News. The issue is that most articles that I see on the subject ping back to Natural News, Gateway Pundit and LifeSiteNews (or something like that.)

The closest I got was an article titled something like "critics FEAR that the bill could legalize" and not that it actually legalized. Legal language is actually tricky and could involve context related to older bills that we don't know about.

Here's the link to the actual bill but it's full of legal jargon:

https://trackbill.com/bill/maryland-senate-bill-669-pregnant-persons-freedom-act-of-2022/2218232/
@SatanBurger Thanks. I won’t go into it because as you mentioned, legal jargon ( a possible reason those pushing a bill never read it nor had read it/them) is a lawyer/.legal expert’s forte. And not being a resident of Maryland., say it were put up for a vote by the people of the state, it wouldn’t be something I could do as a NJ resident.
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So I guess you can call anyone names , but who are you then ?
Randi1125 · 31-35, F
@SW-User

your worst nightmare
Graylight · 51-55, F
@SW-User 'Calling names' is hurling inappropriate or untrue insults. If one is a homophobe and wields Christianity as a weapon, then that person is, indeed, a homophobic Christian.

Doesn't matter, as I see it. You guys have been running all over the place with your pet nicknames, demeaning monikers and stupid, juvenile phrasing. If that's he language you understand, that's how you'll get the language.
Fukfacewillie · 51-55, M
Bit harsh, even for me.
Fukfacewillie · 51-55, M
@Graylight I’m all for no more BS!
Randi1125 · 31-35, F
@Fukfacewillie

The truth hurts more than lies.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@Randi1125 I've always heard and I've always said, it a truth stings, there's probably a reason. Generally speaking.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
As Jesus Christ famously said about homosexuals...
Graylight · 51-55, F
@LordShadowfire Funny, isn't it? Conservative Christians would contradicts even Jesus Christ just to feel right.
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@MarmeeMarch A good number of the
“ stick it to the man,” dropped their mantras and beliefs for the almighty $$$’

 
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