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ElwoodBlues · M
The difference is evidence.
There's no doubt about Russian interference. Robert Mueller compiled 200+ pages of details about the ways Russia worked to interfere in the 2016 elections. Here's a link to the raw data: https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/download
Mueller also catalogued about 100 contacts between Kremlin agents and the Trump campaign.
There is still zero evidence to support Trump's allegations of widespread election fraud. In the 11 months since the election, nothing has emerged except more conspiracy theories. The following links are a bit old now, but nothing new has come to light.
Mich: https://www.michigan.gov/som/0,4669,7-192-47796-553386--,00.html
Georgia: https://www.ajc.com/politics/no-fraud-georgia-audit-confirms-authenticity-of-absentee-ballots/QF2PTOGHLNDLNDJEWBU56WEQHM/
Arizona: https://apnews.com/article/technology-biden-cabinet-arizona-phoenix-elections-b59f85b6e917e91a40dc8e99bcab480a
Penn: https://www.inquirer.com/news/pennsylvania/spl/pa-election-results-risk-limiting-audit-results-limitations-20210310.html
There's no doubt about Russian interference. Robert Mueller compiled 200+ pages of details about the ways Russia worked to interfere in the 2016 elections. Here's a link to the raw data: https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/download
Mueller also catalogued about 100 contacts between Kremlin agents and the Trump campaign.
There is still zero evidence to support Trump's allegations of widespread election fraud. In the 11 months since the election, nothing has emerged except more conspiracy theories. The following links are a bit old now, but nothing new has come to light.
Mich: https://www.michigan.gov/som/0,4669,7-192-47796-553386--,00.html
Georgia: https://www.ajc.com/politics/no-fraud-georgia-audit-confirms-authenticity-of-absentee-ballots/QF2PTOGHLNDLNDJEWBU56WEQHM/
Arizona: https://apnews.com/article/technology-biden-cabinet-arizona-phoenix-elections-b59f85b6e917e91a40dc8e99bcab480a
Penn: https://www.inquirer.com/news/pennsylvania/spl/pa-election-results-risk-limiting-audit-results-limitations-20210310.html
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ElwoodBlues · M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow The OP asked
And then you try to dismiss it all by saying it's not in the headlines anymore? Can you spin any faster???
How exactly is Trump claiming that there was 2020 election fraud any different from Hillary claiming "Russia, Russia, Russia" about the 2016 election?
thus comparing claims of Russian collusion with claims of massive election fraud. And now you tell me that the well documented 2016 Russian election interference "has nothing to do with this"???And then you try to dismiss it all by saying it's not in the headlines anymore? Can you spin any faster???
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@ElwoodBlues Except your "well documented election interference" is factually incorrect. I am sorry to tell you this but it went nowhere.
And good job trying to move the goalposts. What has nothing to do with this is re-litigating the coup in Ukraine run from Washington. You brought that up for reasons only known to yourself but my guess is as a distraction.
I am saying dismiss it because it went nowhere and was a political stunt that could not even get the most basic details right let alone prove anything.
Pretty sad you are still pushing Rachel Maddow's conspiracies even after she has given up on them.
And good job trying to move the goalposts. What has nothing to do with this is re-litigating the coup in Ukraine run from Washington. You brought that up for reasons only known to yourself but my guess is as a distraction.
I am saying dismiss it because it went nowhere and was a political stunt that could not even get the most basic details right let alone prove anything.
Pretty sad you are still pushing Rachel Maddow's conspiracies even after she has given up on them.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@ElwoodBlues Doubling down on tin foil doesn't make Trump's critics look any better.
therighttothink50 · 56-60, M
Emerald Robinson poses 25 questions about the election the Dems have no answer for..
https://emeralddb3.substack.com/p/25-big-questions-that-democrats-cant
Go to the link above for entire article and more links (underlined) contained within the 25 questions which further substantiate/support her questions.
Her article below:
[25 Big Questions That Democrats Can't Answer About The 2020 Election
Why not upset a liberal today and send them this handy list!
by Emerald Robinson
25 Big Questions That Democrats Can't Answer About The 2020 Election — Because They Know They Cheated
1 Why did the vote counting stop on election night in several swing states?
2 Why did the vote counting delays only happen in swing states?
3 Why were election observers barred from entering vote counting stations in swing states?
4 Why did Trey Trainor, the chair of the Federal Election Commission, declare on TV that election "observers have not been allowed into the polling locations in a meaningful way" and that “if they're not, the law is not being followed, making this an illegitimate election” on November 6th, 2020?
5 Why are any electronic voting machines hooked up to the Internet?
6 Why were votes from the 2020 election sent overseas for “processing” and “tabulation” purposes?
7 Why would votes from 30 states in America be processed by a Canadian firm?
8 Why would the company that “tabulates” votes for 800 American counties be a recently bankrupt Barcelona-based firm with the Department of Defense as its best-known client?
9 Why would America’s electronic voting machines be under the ownership of citizens from foreign nations?
10 Why are so many electronic voting machine companies owned by shell companies?
11 Why did it take Maricopa County (Arizona) two weeks to count its votes?
12 Why did an audit expert find 74,000 more votes were counted in Maricopa County (Arizona) than were mailed out?
13 Why did Mark Zuckerberg fork over $400 million to his personal charity to run a parallel private election system in 2020?
14 Why did the Special Counsel in Wisconsin just release a report that called Zuckerberg’s donations in five Wisconsin counties a classic case of bribery?
15 Why did AG Merrick Garland at Biden’s Department of Justice threaten to interfere in a post-election audit conducted in Arizona — and authorized by the state of Arizona?
16 Why did a county circuit court judge in Wisconsin rule that the Wisconsin Elections Commission had run the 2020 election in an illegal manner?
17 Why have the voting machine companies refused to comply with subpoenas from the state officials of Wisconsin?
18 Why do the voting machine companies refuse to have their machines inspected even though these machines are used in public elections?
19 Why is a federal judge in Georgia refusing to release a report by a cybersecurity expert who inspected a Dominion machine and found it vulnerable to hacking and manipulation of the votes?
20 Why has Dominion Voting Systems refused to comply with the post-election audit in Arizona — which was ordered by the State of Arizona itself?
21 Why are more than 300,000 ballot transfer forms missing in Georgia’s 2020 election?
22 Why did Dominion Voting Systems fail to show up and answer questions from the elected officials of Pennsylvania after the 2020 election?
23 Why do 204,430 mail-in ballots in Arizona have mismatched signatures?
24 Why do 740,000 mail-in ballots in Arizona have broken chain of custody?
25 Why did the Wisconsin Special Counsel find that 50 nursing homes had 100% voter turnout and that cheating was widespread?]
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My personal reaction to the article:
Miss Robinson asks the questions most rationale/fair minded Americans want to know the answers to. Unfortunately investigative journalism for the most part is currently dead in this country. Rigged elections have serious consequences.
The overall vast majority of the MSM have become nothing more than Leftist propagandists, who as puppets of the Left, push the false narratives they wish all of us to hear and believe. These Leftist devotees of the elite have become a dangerous group of useful idiots. Leftist Acolytes who wish to suppress anybody and any information who/which dare to contradict their contrived and warped view of the world.
The government, the media and the corporate world have all morphed into one big "woke" monster, which is creating havoc all of over the globe. These maniacal Leftists are marching lock-step straight into a brick wall. Their main end goal being the creation of a world which consists of perpetual poverty and chaos.
It is up to the people to finally stand up against this evil or watch everything they worked for their entire lives be either totally destroyed or taken away by a bunch of vile and egotistical Leftist technocrats.
God help those who are willfully ignorant to the darkening of their hearts, the brainwashing of their minds and the destruction of their individual souls...
“We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force.”-Ayn Rand-
“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the party is always right.” -George Orwell-
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free." -Ronald Reagan-
https://emeralddb3.substack.com/p/25-big-questions-that-democrats-cant
Go to the link above for entire article and more links (underlined) contained within the 25 questions which further substantiate/support her questions.
Her article below:
[25 Big Questions That Democrats Can't Answer About The 2020 Election
Why not upset a liberal today and send them this handy list!
by Emerald Robinson
25 Big Questions That Democrats Can't Answer About The 2020 Election — Because They Know They Cheated
1 Why did the vote counting stop on election night in several swing states?
2 Why did the vote counting delays only happen in swing states?
3 Why were election observers barred from entering vote counting stations in swing states?
4 Why did Trey Trainor, the chair of the Federal Election Commission, declare on TV that election "observers have not been allowed into the polling locations in a meaningful way" and that “if they're not, the law is not being followed, making this an illegitimate election” on November 6th, 2020?
5 Why are any electronic voting machines hooked up to the Internet?
6 Why were votes from the 2020 election sent overseas for “processing” and “tabulation” purposes?
7 Why would votes from 30 states in America be processed by a Canadian firm?
8 Why would the company that “tabulates” votes for 800 American counties be a recently bankrupt Barcelona-based firm with the Department of Defense as its best-known client?
9 Why would America’s electronic voting machines be under the ownership of citizens from foreign nations?
10 Why are so many electronic voting machine companies owned by shell companies?
11 Why did it take Maricopa County (Arizona) two weeks to count its votes?
12 Why did an audit expert find 74,000 more votes were counted in Maricopa County (Arizona) than were mailed out?
13 Why did Mark Zuckerberg fork over $400 million to his personal charity to run a parallel private election system in 2020?
14 Why did the Special Counsel in Wisconsin just release a report that called Zuckerberg’s donations in five Wisconsin counties a classic case of bribery?
15 Why did AG Merrick Garland at Biden’s Department of Justice threaten to interfere in a post-election audit conducted in Arizona — and authorized by the state of Arizona?
16 Why did a county circuit court judge in Wisconsin rule that the Wisconsin Elections Commission had run the 2020 election in an illegal manner?
17 Why have the voting machine companies refused to comply with subpoenas from the state officials of Wisconsin?
18 Why do the voting machine companies refuse to have their machines inspected even though these machines are used in public elections?
19 Why is a federal judge in Georgia refusing to release a report by a cybersecurity expert who inspected a Dominion machine and found it vulnerable to hacking and manipulation of the votes?
20 Why has Dominion Voting Systems refused to comply with the post-election audit in Arizona — which was ordered by the State of Arizona itself?
21 Why are more than 300,000 ballot transfer forms missing in Georgia’s 2020 election?
22 Why did Dominion Voting Systems fail to show up and answer questions from the elected officials of Pennsylvania after the 2020 election?
23 Why do 204,430 mail-in ballots in Arizona have mismatched signatures?
24 Why do 740,000 mail-in ballots in Arizona have broken chain of custody?
25 Why did the Wisconsin Special Counsel find that 50 nursing homes had 100% voter turnout and that cheating was widespread?]
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My personal reaction to the article:
Miss Robinson asks the questions most rationale/fair minded Americans want to know the answers to. Unfortunately investigative journalism for the most part is currently dead in this country. Rigged elections have serious consequences.
The overall vast majority of the MSM have become nothing more than Leftist propagandists, who as puppets of the Left, push the false narratives they wish all of us to hear and believe. These Leftist devotees of the elite have become a dangerous group of useful idiots. Leftist Acolytes who wish to suppress anybody and any information who/which dare to contradict their contrived and warped view of the world.
The government, the media and the corporate world have all morphed into one big "woke" monster, which is creating havoc all of over the globe. These maniacal Leftists are marching lock-step straight into a brick wall. Their main end goal being the creation of a world which consists of perpetual poverty and chaos.
It is up to the people to finally stand up against this evil or watch everything they worked for their entire lives be either totally destroyed or taken away by a bunch of vile and egotistical Leftist technocrats.
God help those who are willfully ignorant to the darkening of their hearts, the brainwashing of their minds and the destruction of their individual souls...
“We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force.”-Ayn Rand-
“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the party is always right.” -George Orwell-
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free." -Ronald Reagan-
SW-User
The biggest difference between the two is that Hillary conceded defeat the day after the election results.
Trump tried to get his VP to overturn the result, part of what triggered the Jan 6th riot.
Trump tried to get his VP to overturn the result, part of what triggered the Jan 6th riot.
Jake966 · 56-60, M
Hillary used Russia to take the attention off her email problem
ElwoodBlues · M
Crazywaterspring · 61-69, M
Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi....
TexChik · F
There is plenty of evidence , and co conspirators
SW-User
Well both camps claim evidence of each other's accusations. One was given millions of dollars and some years to investigate and the other is being censored.
SW-User
@ElwoodBlues He could get a billion dollars it wouldn't matter if the media isn't interested 😂
ElwoodBlues · M
it wouldn't matter if the media isn't interested
When Trump alleges election fraud, the media reports it; usually with the caveat that there's no evidence. So the record so far shows the media is interested.@SW-User You are ducking the question. The question is: why has Trump so far failed to finance any election audits with the $150 million or so he has on hand? Why has he failed to actually look for evidence to support his claims?
SW-User
@ElwoodBlues
Why has he failed to actually look for evidence to support his claims?
Ask him I'm not working with him.
They only report it as a Damage control measure , and that's all it is. Nothing to see here.
Why has he failed to actually look for evidence to support his claims?
Ask him I'm not working with him.
When Trump alleges election fraud, the media reports it
They only report it as a Damage control measure , and that's all it is. Nothing to see here.
Madmonk · M
The beast of the apocalypse calling the Antichrist evil
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
DDonde · 31-35, M
What's your point?