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Biden's tax plans

Psaki says it's absurd to think corporations would raise prices for consumers due to higher taxes.

Frederick Hayak said, many years before, if socialists understood economics they wouldn't be socialists.
Oberon1 · 61-69, M Best Comment
The idea, that they can say, "It's not going to cost anything." is just flabbergasting to me! I really believe the coprophagics think the American people are that stupid. All their 'new left' constituents are pretty outspoken about how stupid they think Americans are. It's part of their snobbery and pseudo intellectual arrogance. Just listen to them sometime, and if you are a pseudo liberal, listen to yourself sometime when you are talking about the salt of the earth Americans who grow, build, transport, or manufacture all your needs, that you are so sickeningly ungrateful for. Worse yet is your disregard for those who protect you, and this nation that is the womb of your safety and security that you hate and despise so much.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Oberon1 Will do 🤙
Northwest · M
@QuixoticSoul
My money keeps me comfy. Nothing else. As long as I pay for stuff, the market will abide. If Americans stop farming - there’s always Mexicans.

I would rephrase this to: if Mexicans stop working, there would be no US farming. But the irony is lost on this guy.
Northwest · M
@Oberon1
Cool, but BIDENS TAX PLANS! Good Lord, you people are so fecked up!

Still, nowhere near the topic of this conversation.

Northwest · M
I take it you believe you understand economics? Nor clear from this post, so just asking.

Taxes are based on P&L or Profit and Loss. When a company makes money, it pays taxes. When a company does not make money, it does not pay taxes.

The price of a product is not based on taxes, it is based on supply, crossed with product development/production costs.

In simpler terms, when Apple decides to price its iPhone, they look at the following (not an exhaustive list):

- how much it costs to develop it
- How much it costs to manufacture it
- How much it costs to market it
(all over the projected lifetime of the product and projected sales)

Then they decide what the price should be.

Here's what does not go into these equations: Apple's tax rate.

If this reply sounds patronizing, it's because it's meant to, trying to match the tone of the OP's post.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Oberon1 Yes - I’m on the clock right now 🤷‍♂️
Oberon1 · 61-69, M
@QuixoticSoul Well, as important as you claim to be, it's no wonder we are going down the drain!
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Oberon1 Can’t say I ever claimed to be important - very few people are.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
Seems that Psaki understands modern economics better than you do.

We had a major round of tax cuts not too long ago - did they result in lower prices?
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@badminton Yup. Because corporate tax rates have little impact on growth, employment, etc.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@IronHamster Tuition is so high because after ‘08 states stopped funding their education systems properly. This was an almost overnight change. Supply and demand hasn’t actually changed all that much, in terms of percentage of high school graduates pursuing an undergrad degree.

A college degree remains a basic requirement for general white collar work, while entry level white collar wages didn’t grow with education costs.

The system worked fine for decades and will keep working all right if we fund public education adequately.
Northwest · M
@IronHamster
We have the same problem now with student loans. Why is tuition so high? Supply and demand. Cheap loans thrown at cheap education. Ask most college students what they plan to do and they will say "I'm smart. I'll figure it out." Four years later they have a shit job that doesn't require a degree and they've moved back in with their parents, which is a sign that this is them not figuring it out.

🤣😂

Here's a non-scientific poll. My kid, who graduated June 2021 now has a $115K per year job. His close friends all have starting jobs that pay similar $s. My nephew is a Senior. He was paid $8K per month for his 8-week internship this past summer, along with a flat $10K allowance for room & board, which he pocketed because he was at home. He went back to school with a $125K per year offer when he graduates in May'22.

Your narrative is defunct, but it would be interesting if you can enumerate "Ask most college students"...
She's lying. Of course the businesses will increase prices at least some to offset tax increases. They already are for inflation costs.

$3.5Tr will be paid by increasing taxes .. that is not $0 .. not "free". Those taxes are beyond high earners (see below). Claiming otherwise is a bald faced lie.

Biden says no higher income tax on middle class (income <$400k) .. yet they are looking at how they could tax:

- Every mile you drive a vehicle
- Unrealized gains, including on an inherited home at time of inheritance, not at time of sale
- Increases to capital gains taxes
- Tax on all financial transactions on top of taxes on any gains (think every 401k, 529 plan, etc other contribution or trade)
- Many other opportunities being sought
- Small business pass throughs

The costs in additional corporate taxes will reduce payments to all employees .. in the form of reduced benefits provided, lower bonuses, lower profit sharing, smaller salary increases, fewer jobs in the U.S. vs other markets. This is based on historical fact of what happened during periods of higher corporate tax rates.

Those will ALL affect every income level under the U.S. tax code. They are coming for every dollar from everyone they can take it from. This from the same government that has mismanaged Social Security (remember, people and companies pay in .. this is not tax funded) for decades and to the point it may not remain solvent beyond 2036.

I do not make $400k per year .. but am already paying every dollar in tuition for two kids in college at the same time and unable to deduct a single cent of those costs on my taxes. I can not deduct over $8000 of state, local and property taxes because of limitations. Yet .. the government wants to take even more of my money to turn around offer free tuition and health care to illegal immigrants and other entitlements to the rest of the country.

Like they chant in college football games these days .. "FUCK JOE BIDEN !!" .. and Bernie .. AOC and Squad .. Elizabeth Warren .. all the other "Progressives" .. and FUCK socialism in America.
@badminton Those things can be addressed without converting America to a socialist society and government. The socialist govt hand doesn't just dole out .. it takes .. your money, your choice .. your freedom.
JoeyFoxx · 56-60, M
@Stillwaiting I have sold 3 properties in my life and I’ve never paid cap gains.

Why?

Because I rolled the proceeds into another home as my primary residence.

Every scenario you listed above has broad carve outs similar to the one I mentioned here with a domicile.

You can insult me all you want. That merely demonstrates how little confidence you have in your word vomit.
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badminton · 61-69, MVIP
In the USA socialism is for corporations and the wealthy (bailouts, subsidies, tax cuts). The rest of us get unregulated capitalism.
PrincessAwesome · 22-25, F
Frederick Hayak said, many years before, if socialists understood economics they wouldn't be socialists.

Define "Socialism."
IronHamster · 56-60, M
@QuixoticSoul I'm not sure that really falls into the realm of "from each man according to his ability, to each man according to his need." But, you did answer my question. If one has a $20B company and the median employee has a hundred dollars of company stock, it doesn't prove much. AMZN is more generous.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@IronHamster Absolutely legendary attempts at goal post moving. Incredible.
IronHamster · 56-60, M
@QuixoticSoul Meh. Imagine what you want.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
Higher corporate taxes would also lower dividends to shareholders, thus reducing pension payments for every American who has a retirement plan. A quick math check will show that the amount of Biden's corporate tax increase is about the same as the average corporate dividend payout. So, rather than passing Biden's corporate tax increase on to consumers, some corporations may instead pass that increase on to their stockholders by cutting or eliminating dividend.This will also undermine the value of the stock itself. The biggest losers will be the huge public service pension funds, which will lose both value and income. Of course, fund managers get paid regardless, so Biden's corporate tax increase will mostly be paid for by the millions and millions of working stiffs.
@JoeyFoxx They are planning a tax on financial transactions .. to include 401k, IRA, 529, 403b, and all other retirement plans involving financial transactions. Are you informed on this subject?
JoeyFoxx · 56-60, M
@Stillwaiting are you? Because that sound shocking, but it’s also an inaccurate generalization
@JoeyFoxx Its no generalization. It is being assessed along with several other increases that will impact all income levels. Google it .. respectable news organizations are reporting it. Quit hiding the lies.

https://www.theintelligencer.net/opinion/local-columns/2021/06/biden-financial-transaction-tax-is-misguided-policy/

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/12/06/biden-we-should-have-a-financial-transaction-tax.html

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jun/26/bidens-tax-hikes-include-hidden-costs-on-middle-cl/

https://nhjournal.com/biden-spending-plan-violates-pledge-not-to-tax-middle-class-experts-say/

https://www.reuters.com/breakingviews/guest-view-biden-tax-crusade-puts-privacy-risk-2021-09-29/
EmiliyStar · 31-35, F
Given that 97% of the countries recessions and depressions have happened under Republican leadership it seems that the Democrat politicians understand economics better than the vast majority of Republicans
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@EmiliyStar You keep believing that, anyone with a brain finds you amusing
IronHamster · 56-60, M
@sunsporter1649 I appreciate women that display their crazy. It ensures I don't waste my time getting involved with them.
IronHamster · 56-60, M
@EmiliyStar Bill Clinton expanded a program called "affordable housing", which is Democrat doublespeak for housing for people that cannot afford housing. Dubya tried to investigate the upcoming mortgage crisis no less than eight times, and each time Democrats used legal maneuvers to stop the investigations from making progress. The 2008/9 crash was something powerful Democrats are on record of saying it could not happen.
DownTheStreet · 56-60, M
Just some more lunatic ramblings of the socialist idealists … clueless
Oberon1 · 61-69, M
@LeopoldBloom You silly man! I thought you were educated. Providing for the general welfare and common defense is not socialism.
I bet you call Scandinavian constitutional monarchies, "socialist" countries too, don't you? They'd probably give you a nose job if you said that to their faces. They are not.
JoeyFoxx · 56-60, M
@Oberon1 I think many people understand that, except perhaps your friend up there from the great state of Florida
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Oberon1 I’m glad someone gets this, though of course it tends to lead to the usual conversation.

So if we cut corporate taxes to zero, you think they will pass that along to the consumer?

If libertarians understood economics, they wouldn’t be libertarians.
Northwest · M
@QuixoticSoul @JoeyFoxx

Apple's dividend paid a whopping 0.55% on investment
Microsoft came in at 0.23%

But the guy keeps strawman'ing the issue to avoid having to admit that his narrative is wrong.
JoeyFoxx · 56-60, M
@IronHamster and this is related to Biden’s Corporate Tax hikes how exactly?

You sound like a drunk teenager
Northwest · M
@IronHamster
Where is the accountability for Solyndra

You did not just pull a "what about a Solyndra" as a justification for your strawman, did you?

Psaki says it's absurd to think corporations would raise prices for consumers due to higher taxes. Frederick Hayak said, many years before, if socialists understood economics they wouldn't be socialists.
@IronHamster Since Solyndra is the only one you people ever bring up, I’d say the program went pretty well. How come you never mention all of the grants awarded under Republican administrations that went belly up?
JoeyFoxx · 56-60, M
Government raises taxes
Company raises prices
Company pays more taxes…

Tarriffs may result in higher prices

Taxes do not have a direct impact on prices.
JoeyFoxx · 56-60, M
@IronHamster what’s obvious is that you don’t understand how economics works
IronHamster · 56-60, M
@QuixoticSoul AMZN is a great example of a company reinvesting in itself.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@IronHamster Yes.

How do corp tax rates prevent this reinvesting, considering their essentially zero tax exposure?
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Heartlander · 80-89, M
A quick check will show that there aren't very many Americans who earn more than $400,000 a year. Only like 5 or 6 million. So forcing those to pay for the Democrat's recent 3+ trillion dollar wish list alone would amount to an added average extra tax burden of $500K (a half million bucks) for the average rich person. A pretty big chunk of change.

For the super rich, it looks like Biden may be giving them good reason to move to another country.
@sunsporter1649 Yeah, the supposed hawk on tax evasion is a cheat himself ..
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@Stillwaiting "Banks said the report shows Biden improperly used 'S corporations', the same tax loophole that the Obama administration tried and failed to close, so that he could substantially lower his Medicare tax on speaking fees and book sales in 2017 and 2018.

Biden and first lady Jill Biden paid income taxes on those profits, but the strategy let the couple route more than $13million through their S corporations — CelticCapri Corp and Giacoppa Corp — and claim less than $800,000 of it as income eligible for the Medicare tax — avoiding the 3.8 percent self-employment tax they would have paid if they had compensated their income accurately, according to the Wall Street Journal."

And guess who introduced and championed the S Corporation law, and got it put into the tax law....
@sunsporter1649 The Hypocrit in Chief !!
marybmom · 31-35, F
Federal tax rate is 2.25% of a gallon of fuel. I know Joe Biden said tax increases on only the rich. I am not rich and I pay for fuel. The higher it goes the higher the tax I am paying. Sales tax is also based on a percent of the price so the higher those prices go the higher taxes I am paying there.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
Corporations are like multiple copies of Marie Antoinette.

They will say let them eat cake and forget the Napoleon Bonaparte's.

I know, how bougie of me. Yet look what it eventually lead to today in France.
BackyardShaman · 61-69, M
Here’s the deal, corporations will raise their prices and look for cost savings such as cheaper labor and operating conditions regardless of whether they have tax loopholes closed or not or are asked to pay taxes.
Majorsite · 61-69, M
Yes, But most liberals are brain dead when it comes to simple economics. And everything else.
JoeyFoxx · 56-60, M
@Majorsite did you just put yourself and the OP as a liberal?
IronHamster · 56-60, M
@Majorsite The only thing socialists are good for is economic calamity. I always want to live close to a herd of socialists because when times are tough they make mighty fine eating.
SW-User
Yankee doodles should sack every economics teacher in every school..
this generation are dumb as dogpoopy
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
If Psaki's brains were dynamite, she wouldn't have enough to blow her nose...
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
Maybe a competing corporation wouldn't raise prices and thereby gain a competitive advantage.

 
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