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SW-User
Don't abolish the prisons, but rework the whole god damn system. Look at various EU countries -- their prison systems are build on rehabilitation. Fixing the problems of the inmates and training them to have skills to properly survive the outside world. Helping them with mental health problems, getting them clean of drugs, etc. etc.
The US system is built on punishment and slavery. No real skills are taught, no help for those who battle addictions, thus convicts are more likely to be repeat offenders.
The US system is built on punishment and slavery. No real skills are taught, no help for those who battle addictions, thus convicts are more likely to be repeat offenders.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@SW-User But that’s socialism 🤷♂️
Better largest-portion-of-population-locked-up-in-the-world and ungodly-recidivism-rates than red.
Better largest-portion-of-population-locked-up-in-the-world and ungodly-recidivism-rates than red.

SW-User
@QuixoticSoul Socialism or not, it works. Capitalism shows it's ugly head in the worst of ways, and people wonder why convicts are repeat offenders.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@SW-User Ah, I get it, turn prisons into country clubs

SW-User
@sunsporter1649 Uh, no. They will function like prisons, but it teaches the inmates skills so that they can get legit jobs instead of going back to being druggies, petty criminals, etc.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@sunsporter1649 We tried your way - now let’s try what’s actually had a track record of success.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@QuixoticSoul Make prisons so miserable nobody will want to take a vacation there
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@sunsporter1649 We tried that, turns out life isn’t so simple, which is also why you’re so generally useless.
People are stupid about risks, something we can observe all the time. It doesn’t matter how bad prisons are because people don’t think they’ll be caught. It’s why pickpockets liked to work crowds watching other pickpockets get hanged. Deterrence only goes so far.
People are stupid about risks, something we can observe all the time. It doesn’t matter how bad prisons are because people don’t think they’ll be caught. It’s why pickpockets liked to work crowds watching other pickpockets get hanged. Deterrence only goes so far.

SW-User
@sunsporter1649 Leave it to an older "gentleman" to not understand how the fucking system works. Prisoners are already treated like shit and forced into slavery all for the benefit of the state. They hardly get any money, they have zero rights, and are constantly being violated not only by other inmates, but by the guards and wardens as well.
In Norway, they actually get treated like human beings and are offered help and a second chance at life. It's shown to be successful for small time offenders -- people who wind up doing petty things like theft, drug possession, illegal firearms possession... Those people can be rehabilitated and given skills to become productive members of society who don't repeat their offenses.
But sure, let's go ahead and punish anyone who ever did anything wrong, big or small. Turn them all into beings that are treated less than animals and locked away for life while the state profits off their needless suffering.
In Norway, they actually get treated like human beings and are offered help and a second chance at life. It's shown to be successful for small time offenders -- people who wind up doing petty things like theft, drug possession, illegal firearms possession... Those people can be rehabilitated and given skills to become productive members of society who don't repeat their offenses.
But sure, let's go ahead and punish anyone who ever did anything wrong, big or small. Turn them all into beings that are treated less than animals and locked away for life while the state profits off their needless suffering.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@QuixoticSoul Put them in pink, give them baloney to eat, keep their asses busy with outside environmental work, quit pretending they are poor little lost souls that just need a little loving
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@sunsporter1649 You’re so terminally stupid. That sort of nonsense is how we got here. Meanwhile, other people are having great success, but you’re too much of an idiot to try out things that demonstrably work, sticking with your habitual failure.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@QuixoticSoul Like abolishing police, replace police with social workers, no bail, show up in court if you are in the mood, no prosecution if the offence is less than $750?

SW-User
@sunsporter1649 Nice derailment you old coot. How about you get off the rocking chair, Granny, and educate yourself?
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SW-User
@QuixoticSoul Probably a senile old geezer at this point.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@SW-User Hey, you support that bullschiff, enjoy the fruits of your labors

SW-User
@sunsporter1649 While you're six feet under, rolling in your grave, I will.