sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
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QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@sunsporter1649 And now you inserted capitalism into the conversation for no reason 🤷♂️
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@sunsporter1649 Because no other economic system in history has ever made anything. 🤦♂️
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
I's the least bad system so far. As Churchill said, quoting an unknown predecessor:
Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…
ElwoodBlues · M
@ninalanyon Churchill sure got that right!
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
Define "Democracy". The founders, the Greeks, did not see Democracy as a set of freedoms. But a set of responsibilities to the State. A vote was an obligation to be taken by learned men only after consultation.
Freedom was the result.
Freedom was the result.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow As usual, you ain't got squat, just bullschiff
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@sunsporter1649 Again that is your specialty.
jackjjackson · M
Have you gotten a FACT out of pics yet/? @whowasthatmaskedman @sunsporter1649
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
Bourgois republics and constitutional monarchies are essentially oligarchies with political theatre.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@sunsporter1649 You clearly already have no idea what to do with a book, so why bother?
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Still nuttin, eh?
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@sunsporter1649 You never have anything other than hot air.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@QuixoticSoul In a constitutional republic, the head of state is often the head of the executive branch. I wouldn't call that "ceremonial". It's mostly in liberal constitutional constructions that don't have presidents, mostly replaced by traditional institutions like monarchies, that the head of state becomes largely ceremonial. Examples are: Spain, the UK, Belgium, Holland, Luxembourg, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, ... and a bunch of satelite states. In most of the countries this has to do with their historical context. Belgium is a special example, because they were forced to have one, otherwise the powers of Europe wouldn't recongise it's sovereignity.
In these modern liberal constitutional institutions... yes.
In these modern liberal constitutional institutions... yes.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Kwek00 By ceremonial head of state I meant countries like, say, Germany.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@QuixoticSoul Yeah, but isn't Germany more of the exception then the norm? It's easier for me to name republics where the president actually have a hand in the executive then naming republics where that task is done by another function like a chancellor. A couple of big counter examples would be: France, the US, Italy and even Russia.
Adaydreambeliever · 56-60, F
It works fairly well most of the time.. for many it works really well, for instance if their elections are free from corruption and the person voted in is held to account for their actions. If the person elected understands their position is to act on behalf of their country..
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@Adaydreambeliever So nothing like America then. 🤨
AngelKrish · 26-30, M
monte3 · 70-79, M
Which class do you think is the dictatorship force?
monte3 · 70-79, M
@sunsporter1649 I am guessing that MTG does not bother you right? 🙄
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@monte3 There are quite a few bad Republicans. There are no good demonocrats
monte3 · 70-79, M
@sunsporter1649 that is wrong, but pretty close to witty. 😊
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
Both.
Voting do have impact though these are within a frame created to preserve ruling class interests.
These interests can be challenged and settlements can be changed but unless you are able to create true socialism (no nobody ever has) then the best you can do is fight for a more favourable class compromise. Even that is bloody hard and I've been a small part of a project which tried and failed to do that.
Voting do have impact though these are within a frame created to preserve ruling class interests.
These interests can be challenged and settlements can be changed but unless you are able to create true socialism (no nobody ever has) then the best you can do is fight for a more favourable class compromise. Even that is bloody hard and I've been a small part of a project which tried and failed to do that.
Stopmakingsense · 61-69, F
Democracy threatens to work all the time. Big money goes into fighting it.
Mindful · 56-60, F
Great question will follow and read later
Northwest · M
Yes, Democracy works.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
Lust4Life · 26-30, F
@basilfawlty89 What about Switzerland?
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@Lust4Life semi direct democracy in done areas, the closest thing to direct democracy are the salary and Rojava.
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@Fukfacewillie Democracy assumes NO corruption and that it is populated by honest, responsible people. Once you let the money in, it flies out the window.
Gangstress · 41-45, F
