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Patti2g · 41-45, F
I could not agree more. Haters will find something to blame on Trump even if they have to fabricate it.
I can’t understand why Mayors like the one in Chicago will turn down federal help on violence when so many young blacks there are dying everyday and blm?
OggggO · 36-40, M
@Patti2g The only help Trump is offering is to make things [i]more[/i] violent.

G00GLE · 22-25, M
He's not a poster boy. People are out of work because of COVID. They are scared. And they are fed up with the orange idiot being in charge.
The absolute pointless murder of George Floyd was the straw that broke the camels back. That's it. There is no "left-agenda" or BLM taking over or whatever these schizo motherfuckers believe in.
It's people being done with the bullshit and taking action.
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Graylight · 51-55, F
Floyd was not under arrest for any crime. He was being detained for handing over what [i]might[/i] have been a counterfeit bill which he [i]might or might not have[/i] had anything to do with.

Yes, he had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system at the time of his death, although the drugs are not listed as the cause of death. "Drugs in his system" means only that he tested positive, not that we was actively under the influence. And what of it? They in no way caused him to act out or commit illegal acts against the officers.

Yes, he had a criminal record. He struggled with drugs, and that often comes with petit theft charges, which is mostly what he had. He did commit aggravated robbery (the same time as the "home invasion" you mention) and he subsequently did his time for that.

On the day he was murdered - because the appropriate response to questioning a citizen is [i]not[/i] to slowly deprive him of air until he suffocated to death under your knee - he did nothing to merit the treatment he received.

Still having trouble? Imagine a suited white man in midtown Manhattan stepping out for coffee and a muffin at Starbucks who passes along a bad bill in his $150 shirt. Would you expect the police to show up, bring him outside, cuff him and then wrestle him to the ground before sitting on him until they robbed him of his life in front of the noonday crowd? How 'bout a woman shopping at Jo Ann Fabrics in a Ohio suburb?

No one [i][b]chose[/b][/i] Floyd as a poster child. Law enforcement and a society that's institutionally racist and always has been made him the latest example of brutality by law enforcement. We can make him one of the last.
@Platinum So according to you, he deserved summary execution.

What if the cops who arrested Roger Stone had executed him? You OK with that?
Platinum · M
@OggggO in the video he was sitting peacefully and the cops were just standing there, you think they grabbed him and jumped on him for and kneeled on him for no reason....show us the evidence...
Platinum · M
@LeopoldBloom can you show me where I said he deserved to die...I don't know who stone is....if anyone does not resist arrest they don't get attacked by the police black or white....but Floyd was still a piece of shit
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
Because the circumstances of his death were particularly egregious and galvanized the nation. None of this was ever about Floyd the person or the life he lived. How is this so complicated?
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@GraceB I don't watch TV.
OggggO · 36-40, M
@GraceB [quote]Why doesn't the news talk about that?[/quote]

Because it's completely irrelevant.
@GraceB Same reason whenever Trump gives a speech, Fox News doesn’t mention his past fines for racial discrimination or how he settled lawsuits with the families of children he raped.
OggggO · 36-40, M
I give zero fucks what his personal history was. A police officer should not have their knee on anyone's neck for nine minutes. End of story.
Platinum · M
So you love pieces of shit who threaten people with guns and take drugs....says so much about you....you are trying to defend the un defendable and try to learn to be civil , it's childish to call people names because you don't agree with them...@OggggO
OggggO · 36-40, M
@Platinum I give zero fucks what his personal history was. A police officer should not have their knee on anyone's neck for nine minutes. End of story.

I also give zero fucks about civility with people defending murder.
Platinum · M
Shut up and go and put up another picture of Floyd on your bedroom door you ignorant shit....and grow up @OggggO
Poppies · 61-69, F
The innocent black children were not blatantly murdered by law enforcement as they pleaded for their lives. The innocence of the victims is not the issue here. I don't think of George Floyd as a poster child, but his execution was recorded on video.
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Poppies · 61-69, F
@GraceB I don't see it that way, at all, but definitely don't hire me as a lawyer, I am not trained for it!
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
[b]Was Derek Chauvin the right choice by the right to be the poster boy for destroying America? [/b]

Oh shit. Im sorry. Nobody has ever argued that he is a poster boy. Crap. I dont know where I got that from.

I think maybe I can't deal with criticisms people actually make so I desperately created the most inane strawman argument.

I lacked self awareness and I apologise.
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@PainfulTruth You guys were on the right side in that war. Just as the Union was on the right side against your beloved Confederacy.
FreeSpirit1 · 51-55, F
It fit the narrative of rouge cops killing black men.
The number don't agree but the media are not interested in facts, just a narrative and getting viewers.
OggggO · 36-40, M
@GraceB Yes, protests.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@FreeSpirit1 One. One cop using racism as a reason to take a human life. That alone would be enough to merit protest.
@FreeSpirit1 So you approve of the cops killing innocent people, as long as they’re not white?
SW-User
[quote]Why would the left use George as an example of an injustice?[/quote]

Because what those officers did was an example of an injustice. It was caught on camera, the nation saw it, did not approve of it, and at that point what he did in the past didn't matter. That's why those officers are in prison where they need to be, awaiting trial.
Poppies · 61-69, F
@SW-User Exactly.
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Longpatrol · 31-35, M
Tamir Rice was 12 years old. Nothing came of it no matter how much it was protested. The powers that be just didn’t care.
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windinhishair · 61-69, M
All people have rights in the US. Obviously you still don't understand that.
Platinum · M
Him being killed, probably saved other innocent people's lives....so many decent black people have died who deserved better lives and choosing this thug to protest for is a joke....
Platinum · M
@OggggO he did two stints in the army and as a cop he was recommended for the medal of honour for saving the lives of some cops, now you tell me what the other piece of shit did in his 46 years
OggggO · 36-40, M
@Platinum Not murder anybody, for starters.
Platinum · M
How do you know, he has not been found out ...you are wasting your time, and very boring...now run along because I ain't changing my mind on that piece of shit you adore, the has done better in his life than Floyd bye@OggggO
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
Nobody at all has used him as a poster boy. Its the straw which broke the camels back.

Tbh your post is ridiculous and a (deliberate) masterclass in missing the point.

You could always try and deal with the actual arguments made by BLM supporters.

However, that would take courage and honesty.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@PainfulTruth If comparing cops to gangstas (they murder less people) is all you've got then its a pretty crappy argument. I notice you didn't deny your support for the Confederacy so I make you a hypocrite even on the terms of American nationalism. 😎😉
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Callmewhatyouwill Fair enough. She sounds much more worthy. It doesnt alter the politics though.
@Burnley123 not the politics no. At least not by any appreciable amount. But it would give more sympathy to BLM vs their idolizing basically a shit bag long time criminal.

That doesn't mean he deserved to die, but those details will always impact public perception.
curiosi · 61-69, F
They can relate to George, the ones that are innocent they don't like.
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spjennifer · 56-60, T
I don't think he was the "Poster Boy" for anything, it was the terrible act committed against him that became a symbol for the entrenched racism in society. Was he a good person?, no, probably not, but that's not what matters, black or white or whatever colour, that man had rights as a human being and should have been treated like one, not some kind of animal.
jeancolby · 31-35, F
I have no sympathy for him, he was a criminal, That's one less criminal I have to worry about.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
It didn't matter who. It mattered when.
BackyardShaman · 61-69, M
Only looks like a poster boy to Trump supporters.
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He was in the wrong place at the right time, basically.

The other point with remembering is that"the left" is really not a single coordinated well run syndicate.

The Democratic party, for example, rarely gets its stuff together and even when it does, it doesn't do so for long.
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Hasmita · M
Nobody is choosing poster boys
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Hasmita · M
@GraceB Shame on you
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4thdimensiondream · 61-69, M
I could be wrong and even if correct it doesn’t affect the point you are making but I believe he was not the one that pointed the gun at the woman’s stomach. He was the one that knocked on the door pretending to be a delivery. There were many conflicting reports on his past criminal history. He was no angel but it appears he turned his life around from what I read.
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
I’m not sure why he was picked to ignite this. But since the death of Michael brown,what has changed?
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Ryannnnnn · 31-35, M
Definitely not, he was a fucking terrible person but the point still stands.
Would have made more sense to use the woman from Tennessee.

 
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