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Are you for or against the death sentence?

I'm against capital punishment because we can never be confident enough in guilt to be worth taking an innocent person's life.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
I get torn, on one hand I do feel for the victims when it happens. On the other I know there's a lot of wrongful deaths and also that death penalties don't do anything to lessen crime so I'd have to say against.

I'm for lessening crime and stopping the cause of it, not furthering it. For instance there's this controversial prison in another country (I forgot which one) but they believe in rehabilitation and have some controversial practices regarding that. They been under scrutiny because the general public seems to believe that the more harsh you treat prisoners, the more it will stop crime.

Needless to say, that simply isn't true and the prison has one one of the lowest re-offender cases in all of Europe. In fact prisons ever rarely stop crime and can in some cases make people worse seeing as how mentally ill people are sent there as well, treated as prisoners and not treated like they are mentally ill in need of help.

I have a weird moral compass.

I have a theory on why the prison is so successful and it's not all that surprising if you think about it. From what I know, the line between victim and oppressor is a thin one, often times a person can be both or was at one point in time. Those types of people are the types that from when they are born, they are conditioned to be violent through outside influences much larger than themselves.

People learn based on their experiences.

I'm not saying that they don't know what they do but I am saying that ignorance is the root of all evil here and there's some things to consider when the death penalty seems to further a cycle of violence rather than stop it.
IHateMyLife0MeDie · 41-45, M
@IHateMyLife0MeDie or 3 or 4, etc, tiered, multi-tiered, for those in between.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Pikachu Me too, I'm actually really vengeful and kind of mean if I get bullied the point I feel like I have to remove you.

However I also know that hatred is just furthering a cycle that said violent people have experienced their whole lives. So I try to remember that even though part of me still wishes they would hurt as they hurt others.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@IHateMyLife0MeDie There's def. some people who can't be rehabilitated. I'd still take the small successes over the bigger if it meant more peace though.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
[quote]we can never be confident enough in guilt[/quote]

So, in other words, you'd have voted [b]against[/b] the death sentences for the war criminals hung at Nuremberg.

🤔
@NativeOregonian

[quote] Death for a death has been the standard for thousands of years for unrepentant murderers, it is very logical,[/quote]

Actually that's a logical fallacy known as argument from tradition/antiquity.
It's not a logical argument for why we should continue using the death for a death model.
NativeOregonian · 51-55
@Pikachu As far as I am concerned, a bullet to the back of the head in the basement of the courthouse within five minutes of sentencing.
@NativeOregonian

You're welcome to your opinion.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
Against.

It's expensive and inefficient. It cannot account for false convictions. It is not a deterrent. And importantly, I don't think the state should have the right to kill its own citizens.
@CountScrofula

Seems like a solid case to me.
Ryannnnnn · 31-35, M
Against. Society shouldn't decide who lives or dies and it's best to save 1 innocent out of 10 than kill one.
Ryannnnnn · 31-35, M
@NativeOregonian Is it? or is it a worse punishment to make them live with what they've done instead of escaping responsibility through death.
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Straylight · 31-35, F
I'll say against, but will also say that you cant hold up "What about Nazi's?" As an argument because that's such a stellar example of evil that hasn't been seen since.
Straylight · 31-35, F
@NativeOregonian I havent heard of that. I'll look it up.
NativeOregonian · 51-55
@Straylight Otherwise known as the Charlie Manson murders.
Straylight · 31-35, F
@NativeOregonian Oh, yeeeah. Point taken.
MayRey · 56-60, F
I'd rather they take their chances in the general population. I hear the life expectancy is shorter.
NativeOregonian · 51-55
I am for the death penalty for the more heinous crimes against others, but that it should only be used against those where there is zero doubt and the offender is quite unrepentant.
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@NativeOregonian

Answer me honestly.
Do you claim that "no shred of doubt" would NEVER result in the death of an innocent person? Do you think that the system would be infallible?

Yes or no?
@NativeOregonian

Hmmm. I guess age doesn't necessarily breed maturity.
I guess that concludes the productive portion of this interaction.

Have a pleasant day🙂
LookingForIt987 · 51-55, M
In concept, I'm... well, I don't want to say 'for it' because, well... ew. In concept, I'm not opposed to it.

In practice, however, I think we need to abolish it. There are way too many cases that get overturned. If we're going to have state-sanctioned end-of-life, we need to be damn sure. And right now, we can't be.
KeanuChrist · 26-30, M
Against. For one, there's been plenty of cases where people are put on death row for a crime they didn't commit. And second, it's hypocritical. Killing people who murder to show that murder is wrong is like shitting on your dog's bed because he shat on the floor.
Completely agree
Against. Not only because of reasonable doubt, but I think it better that the person lives to face the horror of their crimes.
NativeOregonian · 51-55
@LukeTheDuke There are some so psychopatic that they do not care what they did.
@NativeOregonian yes I agree, that was a very difficult learning experience for me to accept some people have no conscience and no morals.
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bearinthebigbluehouse · 26-30, M
Death for irrefutable factual evident cases... Then again... Like you said in other comments... There will always be mistakes... WHATEVER!! Just labour plz.. ┬┴┬┴┤•ᴥ•ʔ/
MethDozer · M
I can go either way. However if we are going to have it, then I think the victim or the close relatives of said victim should be the one's to pull the trigger.
MethDozer · M
@Pikachu I still say you are ignoring the fact the decision was made long ago in a court of law. The victim nor the family is involved in the judgement either way.

I completely disagree also on the basis that most people aren't able to get blood on their hands but can let someone else do it for them. We see that fact demonstrated often.
The idea someone e would forgo a death sentence plea because someone else is going to do the executing is naive at best IMHO.

Totally ignoring the basis of law, court, and trial still being involved.


If one is seeking a death penalty, then said person should be able to pull the trigger themselves or the sentence is wrong. Do your own dirty work.
@MethDozer

You're certainly welcome to disagree🙂
MethDozer · M
@Pikachu That goes without saying.

 
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