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Why the left needs to make a positive case for immigration.

The issue driving the nationalist right is immigration and the reasons why are obvious. The mainstream right can no longer defend its economic principles on its own terms because free trade and trickle down economics have not enriched the lives of ordinary people. A rising tide sinks most boats and an unregulated market means debt slavery.

The right can't become progressives and blame the bosses so they need to scapegoat others, particularly others who are not like us.

Immigration is blamed for everything: low wages for working class people, strained public services, crime etc. This disguises the fact that (UK context) wages stagnated long before the biggest immigrant wave and that government has defunded public services as deliberate policy.

Being anti-immigration seems to have an outsider chic which is utterly undeserved. 'Nobody is allowed to talk about immigration' even though virtually everyone does. The mainstream media give tacit acceptance to anti immigrant views as 'genuine concerns' as do plenty of mainstream politicians. The white working class is talked of as a distinct minority group when non white members of the working class share the same hopes, dreams and material conditions. Blaming immigrants is punching down and also dividing people.

Owen Jones makes some good points about the economic benefits that overseas people bring. He also says that human stories matter and I agree. The most pro immigration places in my country are those with the most immigrants. If a person of colour is your doctor, your shopkeeper or your friend then you are not gonna take Daily Mail scare stories that seriously.

It's a powerful and popular narrative but compromising with it just makes things worse. Liberal politicians can never outdo the populist right on this issue and will never be taken as the real deal by people they are trying to impress. All the time, this strengthens the frame of the far-right and allows the Overton window to move further into dangerous territory.

So make the case for immigration. To win this battle, we first have to fight it.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/20/immigration-force-for-good-labour-migrants
SW-User
The right isn’t against immigrants they are against illegal immigration. It people like you that makes me ashamed that I’m liberal
Pherick · 41-45, M
@SW-User I literally have no idea what that sentence means.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Pherick I think she meant co-exist. She sees you as radical liberal and ultra partisan because of your immigration ideas.

@SW-User Its not about Co-existence to have a different view.
Pherick · 41-45, M
@Burnley123 Oh I see. Well I am going to double down on my doubt of her liberalism :)
Riverman · 56-60, M
Do you lock your car or leave the doors wide open? Do you lock your house or leave the doors wide open? Should fences around business and / homes be made illegal?
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Riverman I'm not. Immigrants work and pay their taxes. The act of immigration is not stealing someone's property or breaking in to a house or a car.
revenant · F
@Burnley123 it is...welfare recipients..future voter base
revenant · F
@Burnley123 asian immigrants work though..others are entitled
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
Personally I'm less interested in immigration than in possibly deporting about 25% of the current US population back to Europe where their ancestors came from.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
SmartKat · 56-60, F
@ChipmunkErnie I’m part of that 25%, and I’d be happy to go back to Sweden or the U.K.
Riverman · 56-60, M
@ChipmunkErnie Well I am part German, Welsh, English, and Native American so I guess I am going be redistributed widely.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
You analysis hits points about immigration not just in the UK but in the US as well.

Race is very much a factor, unfortunately.

It is also a huge wedge issue here, one that neither side wants to give up or compromise on as it stirs up their base.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@beckyromero Its a tough one because immigration is often a dog whistle for racism. However, not all anti immigration people are racist. They are just afraid and looking for a scapegoat.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@Burnley123 [quote]However, not all anti immigration people are racist. They are just afraid and looking for a scapegoat.[/quote]

I agree.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
In Canada it's extremely telling because we have:

A: a good economy (more or less)
B: an underpopulation problem
C: the same rates of immigration we've had forever
D : no significant illegal immigration problem

Yet we've still jumped onto the anti-immigrant or anti-refugee bandwagon and the right is constantly casting about looking for an event to seize on to in order to motivate their base. I think this may be largely because whatever goes on in the states has a knockon effect here, but it's fucking frustrating.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@CountScrofula I've seen some videos by Ezra levant. Lovely bloke.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@Burnley123 Thankfully his company Rebel MEdia partially self-destructed after one of his most popular correspondents openly endorsed neo-nazis right before the Charlottesville rally/murder. He's still around but lost a ton of his pull.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@Burnley123 But yeah Rebel Media makes Breitbart look professional.
revenant · F
The right is NOT racist. I am in Toronto and gosh everybody is a foreigner here. Migrants/illegals?political refugees/asylum seekers/and bla bla bla are all used too for the same agenda.
gol979 · 41-45, M
@Burnley123 wait for it......the middle East forum. Careful what you say about sir tommy, he could actually send the boys round, as he does on a frequent basis
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@gol979 He moans about intimidation from the left but he is still just a football thug with the same petty grudges and fragile ego.
gol979 · 41-45, M
@Burnley123 he's a one trick pony.....and a shit trick at that. Shame quite a few people fall for it, not surprising but a shame
Not everything is economics.

The people I know who are anti-immigrant are broadly anti-immigrant.

They aren't just against illegal immigrants on economic grounds. They are against even legal immigrant and children of immigrants who maintain the cultural roots.

The superficial reason is said to be economics, but it's really cultural. They don't like the cultural change that these people bring. They don't like the idea of living together with these people and their children going to school with these people and even marrying them.

From what I can tell select groups are fixated on, like Salvadorans and Guatemalans coming through Mexico, or Muslims through the travel-ban countries-- but the taboo of political correctness makes it impossible to admit they just don't want "different kinds of people" in their communities.

That can be Congolese or Russian Orthodox Jewish refugees. That can be your most recent Hispanic illegal or a 3rd generation Cubana who kept her language and culture.

These people don't like it.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@CopperCicada I agree that it has a purely cultural aspect to do with identity and fear of change.

The scandanavian countries are holding up well economically but anti immigrant sentiment there is as bad as anywhere. Spain has had major austerity and the far right is marginal.

Though economics is a big factor in most places.

Thanks for the contribution because it adds to the debate. I post long things sometimes but even I can't include everything I think.
MrAboo · 36-40, M
They just increase their voting base, that is what it boils down to.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@MrAboo Immigrants tend to vote left because they are less hostile to them. I don't see a conspiracy and there was a time in recent history when Conservatives were mostly pro immigration.
SmartKat · 56-60, F
The same is true in the U.S.
revenant · F
so you want to replace my cathedrals into mosques ???
revenant · F
answer
gol979 · 41-45, M
@Burnley123 come on mate, I love dialectical materialism lol
revenant · F
[@Burnley123 my second son..but illegals receive all
gol979 · 41-45, M
I understand and agree with most of what you're saying but we do need a debate on the left about the free movement of labour, which pits the working class against each other.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@gol979 I've heard the argument that free movement undermines wage bargaining... Reserve army of Labour and all that.

Its a fair opinion though I disagree. We have very little unemployment in this country and wages are low because of other reasons.
As a daughter of immigrants i think it is safe for me to say that the british hate immigrants, regardless of their poltical beliefs.

They don't realise out nhs would collapse without them
@Burnley123 so much worse since brexit
- i don't know if you know i was the victim of a race hate crime 2 months back?
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@InOtterWords I didn't know and I'm sorry to hear that.
@Burnley123 whilst all my life i have heard racist comments never to this extent. :(
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
And her Ironing, piles up!
Riverman · 56-60, M
@Harriet03 Hey good point. After the economy goes into the crapper after socialism takes over, we will need to get our clothes from SOMEWHERE. May as well take them from the illegal aliens. I like your plan 😂
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
@Riverman The Economy is already in the Crapper, Brexits just adding to it!!
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Riverman Socialism takes over where? Lol
revenant · F
whyimmigration anyway
This has been appearing in windows around here...
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@bijouxbroussard Do you think it's an effective slogan?
@Burnley123 Hard to say. The people who are “nationalists” don’t think they’re racists, even if they admit they’re only worried about immigrants of color coming into the country, legally or otherwise.

 
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