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Why the left needs to make a positive case for immigration.

The issue driving the nationalist right is immigration and the reasons why are obvious. The mainstream right can no longer defend its economic principles on its own terms because free trade and trickle down economics have not enriched the lives of ordinary people. A rising tide sinks most boats and an unregulated market means debt slavery.

The right can't become progressives and blame the bosses so they need to scapegoat others, particularly others who are not like us.

Immigration is blamed for everything: low wages for working class people, strained public services, crime etc. This disguises the fact that (UK context) wages stagnated long before the biggest immigrant wave and that government has defunded public services as deliberate policy.

Being anti-immigration seems to have an outsider chic which is utterly undeserved. 'Nobody is allowed to talk about immigration' even though virtually everyone does. The mainstream media give tacit acceptance to anti immigrant views as 'genuine concerns' as do plenty of mainstream politicians. The white working class is talked of as a distinct minority group when non white members of the working class share the same hopes, dreams and material conditions. Blaming immigrants is punching down and also dividing people.

Owen Jones makes some good points about the economic benefits that overseas people bring. He also says that human stories matter and I agree. The most pro immigration places in my country are those with the most immigrants. If a person of colour is your doctor, your shopkeeper or your friend then you are not gonna take Daily Mail scare stories that seriously.

It's a powerful and popular narrative but compromising with it just makes things worse. Liberal politicians can never outdo the populist right on this issue and will never be taken as the real deal by people they are trying to impress. All the time, this strengthens the frame of the far-right and allows the Overton window to move further into dangerous territory.

So make the case for immigration. To win this battle, we first have to fight it.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/20/immigration-force-for-good-labour-migrants
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Riverman · 56-60, M
Do you lock your car or leave the doors wide open? Do you lock your house or leave the doors wide open? Should fences around business and / homes be made illegal?
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Riverman A car and a home are terrible analogies for a country. You don't co exist in a house with millions of other people.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@Riverman [quote]Do you lock your car or leave the doors wide open?[/quote]

😂

You must live in a big urban area or a high crime area?

Many people who don't do just that, leave their cars unlocked.

[quote]Do you lock your house or leave the doors wide open?[/quote]

See above.

[quote]Should fences around business and / homes be made illegal?[/quote]

Actually, in many places in the U.S., fences between homes on private property have [i]indeed[/i] been made illegal by local zoning laws. If you take a look outside of where you live once in a while, you would have known that.

(fyi: I don't think fences between private residential properties should be illegal, because they serve other purposes besides deterring crime. (being able to sunbathe nude in my backyard in private for example, keeps dogs from pooping in your backyard, safety feature for pools, etc.))
revenant · F
@Riverman Burnley fails to see things at micro and macro levels.
Riverman · 56-60, M
@Burnley123 Are you nuts? Not one of you would dream of living any where near a populated area and not control access to your stuff.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@revenant I fail to see bs and lies. Lol
Riverman · 56-60, M
@Burnley123 Then there is no help for you. Sorry.
revenant · F
@Riverman absolutely. The anointed live in gated communities.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Riverman Thanks. I appreciate the lack of help.
revenant · F
@Burnley123 the problem with you is that you only give dignity to ..others...not the one who built the house
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@revenant Another populist right myth is that leftists live in gated communities. I'm a middle income guy and I live in multi cultural inner city.
revenant · F
@Burnley123 what are your origins ? and why are you defending who and why ?
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@revenant I'm white British born and raised. I am defending people because I believe in treating people the same.
Riverman · 56-60, M
@beckyromero If you EVER lock your car, house, apartment, or anything else then you are a hypocrite.
revenant · F
@Burnley123 am white French but I do not believe in treating people all the same in my country. I do not want invaders.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Riverman Dude, a country is not a house or a car. The analogy is terrible.

Its like saying if you support the military you are a hypocrite for not walking around town randomly shooting people.
revenant · F
@Riverman same with those leaders punishing you if you defend yourself but they can have security guards ?????
revenant · F
@Burnley123 the analogy is right on point. It is about sovereignty
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@revenant His analogy fails because its about ownership. Its based on the assumption that a country is owned by one race and culture and also that working immigrants are stealing from it instead of working towards it. My analogy actually works better and I was taking the piss.
revenant · F
@Burnley123 what ? a country does not belong to original owners ?
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@revenant If it did, you should go back to Britain or France and leave the land to the First Americans.
Riverman · 56-60, M
@Burnley123 How many times has communism been tried? How many times has it been successful?
revenant · F
@Burnley123 well no....I should demand reparations from the romans and what not.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Riverman I'm not a communist and WTF does that have to do with our conversation? Lol
revenant · F
@Burnley123canada was built with french and english.
Riverman · 56-60, M
@Burnley123 By your arguments, the First Americans were evil and wrong for even ATTEMPTING to prevent other people from coming in.