Are Feminists Really About Female Empowerment...Or Are They Just Women In Power?

@Graylight Okay, but "same work" or "work of equal value?"

How do you define the latter?

@WoodyAq Sometimes there's little difference between the two, but work of equal value by its definition should command equal pay. Take physicians, for example. To earn a job in a practice, the very same educational and clinical hours must be satisfied for men and women. But when starting at the same line, pay rises for men yet doesn't for women.
https://money.cnn.com/2018/03/14/news/economy/gender-pay-gap-doctors/index.html

Then there's the problem of equal work or work of equal value in terms of its availability among women and men. The pay gap isn't quite as disparate and some would believe, but the opportunities are worse. Most executive positions are held by men; more men that women are college professors, versus the opposite among elementary school educators. Whether paid equally or not for the same position, too many times those positions are out of reach for more women than men.
https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2017/10/20/why-do-women-still-earn-a-lot-less-than-men

@Graylight Should a Women's Studies professor make as much as a Finance Professor?

This is based on an actual case, btw.

@WoodyAq The workload, hours, prep time and job descriptions being the same, yes.

@Graylight Hmmmm. Because that isn't how prices (wage being a price of labour) is determined in a free market economy.

Which means you want to impose a value by government fiat, underpinned by the threat of violence.

Which is where it gets problematic for me ...

@WoodyAq I'm not sure that's true. The salary of these two teachers may vary according to the experience they bring to a job, tenure, job performance and such, but I'd need a good argument as to why the base teaching salary at, say, level II college instruction shouldn't be the same. And that's simply not always the case.

@Graylight Ideally it would depend also on the demand for the courses/research and the relative availability of the specific skills.

Disciplines that are not in demand and where there are a lot of potential professors available would have, in a free market world, lower wages, irrespective of gender.

@WoodyAq

Do you have reason to believe that the disparity is divided along those lines?

@Pikachu Yeah, there was a specific case. Waterloo University in Canada came out with a pretty discriminatory (against males) contract for professors.

@WoodyAq

Can you be a little more specific?

@Pikachu They did gender-related pay raises. They figured out how much women professors were making less than their male counterparts and then raised all female professors salaries by the difference. But the main gap was by discipline, so female finance professors who were already being paid the same as their male counterparts got paid more.

@WoodyAq

shitty

@Pikachu Yeah. But it is one of those things that happens when ideology takes hold, and silences dissenters.

@WoodyAq

I'd say it's an example of a failure of a just cause

@Pikachu They say a zealot is someone who redoubles their efforts when they lose sight of their ends.

I would say it was a triumph of intentions over intelligence.

For the record, I think good intentions do indeed pave the road to Hell.

@WoodyAq

I don't think they've lost sight at all.
As i said, an example of a failure in the pursuit of a just cause.

@Pikachu What's the goal? To transfer more money to women regardless, or equality of opportunity, or equality of outcomes?

Because I only think one of these causes are just.

@WoodyAq

Equality, my dude. Both in law and in practice.

@Pikachu Equality of opportunity or outcome?

@WoodyAq

opportunity

@Pikachu I think that was manifestly not the goal here.

@WoodyAq

Did i not say that this was an example of failure of a just cause?
In the fight for equality, this was a failure. What's the problem?

@Pikachu It was a failure to ensure an equality of outcomes, not opportunities.

You said the second was the just cause, not the first.

@WoodyAq

It was a failure of both.
Still not sure what your issue is.

@Pikachu I don't agree that equality of outcomes, which was the intention of this "reform" is a just cause.