Does it worry anybody else that Trump supporters...

@BlueMetalChick Do you caucus with the Trumpets that election meddling is acceptable and/or didn't occur? I don't see any attempts to start a war with Russia except maybe when Trump took out Russian mercenaries in Syria (by mistake).

@BlueMetalChick I'm not advocating war with Russia, but I do think Putin is a global threat - because he does sponsor some really authoritarian governments and he himself is a blatant authoritarian. That said, war would be a bad idea.

@SW-User Nearly crashing a fighter jet into one of their bombers over the Black Sea, NATO buildup on their borders, arming their enemies in the Ukraine, supporting jihadists in Syria to oppose Assad. We're in two proxy wars with them right now.

@basilfawlty89 Fair point. He's a menace to be sure.

@BlueMetalChick You didn't deny Putin is a threat. They fly near Alaska all the time. As far as NATO and Ukraine those are sovereign nations trying to be independent in the face of Russian bullying. Good for them. There is no enemy in the Ukraine unless you consider people defending their country an enemy?

Syria isn't going to be a hot war -- neither side wants it. And Russia isn't that stupid.

@SW-User I fully support the self determination of the Ukrainian people, but starting a full on war with Russia would be disastrous - WW3.

@BlueMetalChick Wow.

You do realize that Russian spies have murdered British people in Britain with military grade nerve agents...

Putin invaded the Ukraine, not vice versa. Assad has been gassing Syrian civilians, and Russians have been bombing their hospitals. Killing Syrian civilians by the thousands.

Cybercrime and ongoing attempts by Russia to destabilize America's elections is actually one of the more benign things they've done.

@basilfawlty89 You don't have to start a war. You also don't have to stand back and appease a guy who tries to illegally seize the territory of neighboring countries.

Because, spoiler alert: it wasn't by letting Germany get away with stuff that prevented WWII.

@WoodyAq Sure, but you suggesting is what here? I agree wholeheartedly with you, we can't appease him, but a full declaration of war won't help either.

@basilfawlty89 True. I suggest we just continue to raise the costs with sanctions, support to the Ukraine and Georgia, and by stepping up aggressive espionage in Russia itself.

One effective option is finding out where Putin banks, and then releasing his net worth to the Russian public.

@SW-User NATO is not a nation.

A significant number of anti-Russian rebel groups in the Ukraine are White supremacists. They self-identify as Nazis. But y'know you have a point. We have plenty of those here in America too so we should make friends with them I guess.

Regardless, why should we be providing aid to them? If your opinion is that they aren't the enemy, then just let them be. But instead, we're spending money buying them weapons and equipment. Which has brought us into a proxy war with Russia.

Syria is already a hot war, just not with direct US or Russian involvement. America is providing military support to jihadist groups in Syria to oppose the Russian-backed Assad regime. Just recently, the president tried to order a direct military strike on Assad himself, but even the goofy ass bloodthirsty generals weren't dumb enough to obey that command.

@WoodyAq And? I said "What threat is Putin to us?" Us meaning the United States, which is important because it's the United States, not Britain, that is currently inciting war with Russia. America is flying jets over the Black Sea and aiding Russia's enemies in the Ukraine and Syria, not Britain.

And that means we need to spend our money arming self-admitted neo Nazis. Of course.

Remember that time that there was a gas attack and America decided to carry out an attack against Syrian loyalists in retaliation without investigating the gas attack first? And then afterwards, they discovered that the gas attack was NOT committed by Assad's people but by the US-backed jihadist rebel groups?

No, you probably don't remember that.

Because that's what the GU does. Just like that's what the CIA does, or the Chinese foreign intelligence service. It's like...their job.

Off topic but isn't it weird that Chinese foreign intelligence still has no official name except being called "Beijing?"

@BlueMetalChick Poorly worded sentence about NATO, thanks. We clearly aren't going to agree on this stuff, but that's okay. I support a strong NATO and the sovereignty of nations so as not to be invaded by Russia or become puppet states. Appreciate the analysis.

@SW-User I also support the sovereignty of nations and oppose the concept of Russian invasion. But arming jihadists and Nazis isn't the way to do it. Take Syria for example. If the rebels were to hypothetically win, if Assad were overthrown, who do you think is going to assume the power vacuum? A democratically elected Syrian ruler who will respect human rights? I WISH that were true. But it'll just be whichever faction of the rebellion happens to be strongest, and all the strongest factions right now are radical Muslim groups.

@BlueMetalChick I wish Ukraine embraced Makhno again, instead of Nazis.

@BlueMetalChick Wow, lots there, most of it BS.



If they are willing to kill British people with nerve agents in Britain, they are capable and willing to do it anywhere. Including in the US, where they are already conducting large scale, malicious espionage operations, including cyberattacks against key infrastructure.

The idea that all Ukrainians who want to free of Russian domination are Nazis self serving Kremlinist propaganda.

In any case, the main problem with the Nazis was that they kept invading their neighbors and annexing territory in violation of signed treaties, and international law. The Ukraine didn't invade anybody, but the Russians have.


First of all "Syrian Loyalists"? 😅

Is that what they are calling Assad's combination of Alawite thugs and Iranian-backed terrorists these days?😅

Second, no I don't remember it because it didn't happen. And it didn't happen because no non-state actor anywhere has the capacity to conduct anything more than a very primitive chemical assault. They are just too difficult for to produce in anything over small quantities without extensive infrastructure.

All the gas attacks that involved anything deadlier than small amounts of chlorine was due to Assad. Anybody who is saying differently is completely full of it.

@WoodyAq That's some dangerous shit right there. You think we need to attack anyone with the capability and desire to attack us, even before they've done it? Well shit, we need to get to war with China too, right now. They have the ability and probable desire. Same with Iran, and maybe even North Korea. Not my logic, it's yours.

But we're not arming the non-Nazi Ukrainians who want to be free of Russian influence. We're arming the groups who say they want to repel Russian incursion and further the cause of national socialism in the Ukraine.

Yes. That's what the common term for Assad's people in Syria. It might not be very accurate or a good term, but people call them Syrian loyalists.

Sorry buddy. Denial doesn't mean it didn't happen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_chemical_weapons_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War

https://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-un-mission-report-confirms-that-opposition-rebels-used-chemical-weapons-against-civilians-and-government-forces/5363139

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-chemicalweapons/exclusive-chemical-weapons-used-by-rebels-in-syria-sources-idUSKCN0SU2PZ20151105

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/6/syrian-rebels-used-sarin-nerve-gas-not-assads-regi/

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-22/us-now-admits-syrian-rebels-have-used-chemical-weapons

https://www.globalresearch.ca/yes-the-syrian-rebels-do-have-access-to-chemical-weapons/5347611

Well I just proved that wrong. Maybe next time try not lying.

So gas attacks involving sarin don't count. Neither do nerve gas atacks. Uh huh. So I guess your definition of "chemical weapons" is different than the rest of humanity.

And my favorite part...
Boy do you look stupid. "hurr durr, lulz teh seerian rebelz dunt hav kemikul wepunz lelelelel durrrrrr"

@WoodyAq She has a point, the US has helped arm the Azov Battalion. They are Nazis, even their logo is Nazi.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28329329

@basilfawlty89 Like, alright, we can aid Ukraine in opposing Russia. But let's be selective at least.

@BlueMetalChick I mean, quick guess what movement inspired their logo:

@BlueMetalChick Ah, honey... sorry,most those sources are assertions, none of which is backed by actual evidence, including a UN official who talked to some Assad supporters and concluded that a single small scale attack early in the war could have conducted by the rebels. The UN said later that she was full of shit.

The rebels have used chlorine and mustard gas in a handful of rather primitive attacks (including one involving a truck bomb). They were not particularly effective.

The vast majority of chemical attacks, and all the largest and deadly ones and all the ones involving sarin are all linked to the Assad regime.

So, as stupid as I may look, including a bunch of links to the same BS doesn't make less BS.

@WoodyAq So an admission from the state department that they fucked up by assuming the chemical weapons attack came from the other size is NOT evidence? The state department lied about themselves getting it wrong?

Look don't waste my time. I'm here to talk about real things, not make shit up.

Chlorine and mustard gas, also sarin, possibly nerve gas.

Yes you do look pretty stupid. You just pretended that there wasn't a thorough investigation into these incidents. Remember when you said it never happened? Now you just admitted it. My work here is done, you've exposed your hand as a shit talker.

@BlueMetalChick Meh, couldn't help myself; I don't think Assad should be overthrown. I don't really think that is our de facto policy. Russia saved him anyway. It seems more about maintaining some presence against ISIS. About supporting Ukranian Nazis, I don't believe that providing arms to the Ukranian government that would scare the shit out of Russia means we are supporting Nazis. Are there right wing militias there? I could see that, yes. The idea is to make Russia think twice. I'm sure you agree that Putin only understands power. He's not stupid. He'll push until it makes more sense for him not to push.

@BlueMetalChick You think you are talking about real things, but you are just mindlessly recycling Russian propaganda. So, you are just spreading someone else's made up stuff.

There is no evidence that non-state actors in Syria have access to any sizeable chemical weapons capability. None.

They have been found to be responsible for a small number of unsophisticated attacks using industrial chemicals.

The vast majority of the attacks, and there have been dozens, most delivered from the air, including two very large ones, at least one of them using sarin, can only have been carried out by the Assad regime.

All the sources you provided are designed to cast uncertainty, but do not fundamentally alter these conclusions.

Lay off the Russia Today and affiliated conspiracy theorists if you want to pretend to talk about "real stuff".

@basilfawlty89 They aren't Nazis. They may be neo-Nazis, but that is a different thing.

But what does that have to do with providing arms to the Ukrainian government to protect the country from Russian invasion and occupation?