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India will now execute child rapists. Thoughts?

"The Indian government approved a new measure on Saturday that will prescribe capital punishment for anyone convicted of raping children under the age of 12."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/04/21/india-approves-death-penalty-child-rapists/538932002/

I understand that hanging is the main method of execution in India

I'm torn on this. What about non-adult child rapists, the mentally ill and the possibility of executing an innocent person?

But India has a bad record of protecting women and girls, who are routinely victims of so-called honor rapes, forcing them to walk naked in town streets or stripping school girls naked in the classroom for not doing homework.

Maybe this will help?


EDIT: Apparently, the law only applies to rapists of girls. Men who rape boys get a pass on the hangman.

EDIT2: Found this. It explains the new law.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/what-is-the-new-ordinance-on-rape-under-criminal-laws-5146208/

There's also this:
"India's Supreme Court Rules That Sex With A Bride Under 18 Is Rape"
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/10/12/557347037/india-s-court-gives-brides-age-15-to-18-protection-from-marital-rape
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SatanBurger · 36-40, F
There is one problem that I can find with this, India still has a caste system. They had an issue awhile back that while you can go to college if you are of lower caste, colleges still discriminate against you if you are said caste. There's people that when they are born they even have certificates showing which caste they are from because one caste is seen as more pure than the other. Several men and women in India have committed suicide because of their social hierarchy.

I could see that being born in corruption, there's no reason to think that people can't easily be set up in that type of system and framed.

In order to start tackling issues like rape while it's def. an issue, they HAVE to deal with their societal issues first. If you don't change the social norms, the problems are not going to be taken care of and there's bound to be causalities on both sides.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2015-10-26/meet-indian-women-trying-take-down-caste-apartheid

The other half of this problem kind of goes with the first.

There was a medical student going to night school who was raped and she eventually died from her injuries because Indian men saw her as a "prostitute" because she was on the bus at night with one other male friend.

In my opinion while it's good their willing to make harsher penalties for that kind of rape, it doesn't get rid of why it's happening in the first place. It's clear that those rapists lack empathy and are horrible people. However it's also clear that societal norms give rise to those kinds of behaviors. So making harsher punishments for just one type of abuse still doesn't take care of the issue.

Need I mention police corruption also?

What happens when you can't trust the police of your own country?

Case in point:

NEW DELHI — Not long after telling the police that she had been raped, a woman from South Delhi looked out her apartment window and saw the man who had attacked her laughing with an officer who had given him a ride back from the police station.

“That officer then came over and asked me why I wanted to file a complaint,” the 30-year-old mother of two said in a recent interview. “He said I would be ridiculed unless I agreed to settle things without an investigation.”

After months of intimidation from her rapist and indifference from the police, she got a politically powerful acquaintance to intervene, and her rapist was finally arrested. A court case is under way.

A far more prominent case, the brutal gang rape on a bus in New Delhi last month, and the later death of the victim, has led to an anguished re-examination in India of many of the nation’s age-old attitudes toward violence against women. But even as India grapples with the polarizing issue, a powerful force stands in the way of any fundamental change: a police force that is corrupt, easily susceptible to political interference, heavily male and woefully understaffed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/23/world/asia/for-rape-victims-in-india-police-are-often-part-of-the-problem.html
The court system has as 30 million case backlog and a rape conviction rate of less than 30%.

This looks more like PR move than anything else.
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@AcidBurn
yes, sadly true..
there have been a number of high profile rape cases of late, one involved an 8 year old girl...
there have been violent demonstrations..
this is the government's response.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@AcidBurn Here's why rape convictions are so low:

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/23/world/asia/for-rape-victims-in-india-police-are-often-part-of-the-problem.html

NEW DELHI — Not long after telling the police that she had been raped, a woman from South Delhi looked out her apartment window and saw the man who had attacked her laughing with an officer who had given him a ride back from the police station.

“That officer then came over and asked me why I wanted to file a complaint,” the 30-year-old mother of two said in a recent interview. “He said I would be ridiculed unless I agreed to settle things without an investigation.”

After months of intimidation from her rapist and indifference from the police, she got a politically powerful acquaintance to intervene, and her rapist was finally arrested. A court case is under way.

A far more prominent case, the brutal gang rape on a bus in New Delhi last month, and the later death of the victim, has led to an anguished re-examination in India of many of the nation’s age-old attitudes toward violence against women. But even as India grapples with the polarizing issue, a powerful force stands in the way of any fundamental change: a police force that is corrupt, easily susceptible to political interference, heavily male and woefully understaffed.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@AcidBurn Also (not to spam here lol) just I forgot to mention from the article that I think should be mentioned here:

The treatment of women by the police is such a concern that laws now forbid officers to arrest or even bring women in for questioning during nighttime hours. In case after case, the police have used their powers to deliver abused women into the hands of their abusers.

Police reforms have been proposed for decades, but few have been put in place, because many of them involve making officers less susceptible to political meddling — something politicians have little incentive to seek.

Of all the problems affecting the police, many women’s advocates point to cultural tradition as the most intractable.

Even as India has undergone an economic upheaval that has brought millions of women out of the home and into urban workplaces, a profound attachment to female sexual virtue remains deeply embedded in the Indian psyche. The foundational texts of Indian culture — the Ramayana and the Mahabharata, ancient Sanskrit epics — both revolve around the communal outrage that results from insults to a good woman’s modesty.

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/23/world/asia/for-rape-victims-in-india-police-are-often-part-of-the-problem.html
1000PaperCranes · 31-35, F
India is way behind on women's rights. I think this is to make people feel better, but I doubt anything will come of it.
fazer1k · 61-69, M
I'm against the death penalty so I don't agree with this measure. It far too easy to accuse and convict innocent people or fail to take issues such as mental health into account. Extended sentences or even life, by all means, but I can't support execution.
MeisterAndrew · 41-45, M
Only thing I'm worried about when we start talking execution is people that are innocent. I also don't know they consider rape, if it's real rape only or also "statutory rape" where the person consented.
MeisterAndrew · 41-45, M
@beckyromero We don't have a world government yet we have almost universal laws governing theft, murder, assault, and even rape. It's with the much more nuanced issues where we don't and statutory rape is one of them. What would make someone a rapist in one country but not in another?

I also don't believe people should just follow the law. In many countries being gay is a crime. If WE actually abided by the law we would still have apartheid but no we took a stance and forced the government to take notice and change it.

The main reason there is an arbitrary age to begin with is that legal systems don't want to deal with the bigger issues and simply want an easy way to decide cases. Doesn't make it right though.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@MeisterAndrew
If WE actually abided by the law we would still have apartheid but no we took a stance and forced the government to take notice and change it.

Really? Comparing the effort to end apartheid to giving men the right to rape 11-year old girls?

🙄
MeisterAndrew · 41-45, M
@beckyromero Again you're not considering all cases and only the clear cut ones.
ArtieKat · M
I'm with you on this - capital punishment is not a real deterrent in my opinion.
SW-User
with clear and overwhelming evidence, I'm all for it.
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SW-User
Good, they should.
Cierzo · M
Agree totally.
It is sad when a third world country gets lost in methods of justice.
Ynotisay · M
Executions won't curb behavior. If it did, countries that execute a lot of their citizens wouldn't have to. India gives death sentences for a whole lot of things but don't execute many prisoners. But serving a death row sentence in an Indian prison? No thank you.
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Graylight · 51-55, F
Killing others has rarely ever produced anything good.
RedFlower · F
india seems to have a deeply rooted attitude problem.. that wont be fixed with executions
exexec · 70-79, C
I'm basically opposed to capital punishment, but if prisons in India are like those in the U.S., a child rapist will have a life of hell in prison. Even the worst offenders do not like child rapists and will ensure that they suffer for their crimes. Convict the guilty and send them to prison for life.
strongbow · 46-50, M
@exexec Most child rapist are segregated from the general population anymore, and no need to spend so much tax payer money for a life sentence
BigHeadScience · 41-45, F
Good all pedos belong on the end of a noose
Mysti · 51-55, F
All for it. Every country should execute child rapists. They are pure evil
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strongbow · 46-50, M
Should be that way in the US too

 
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