People who say violence achieves nothing are living in a moral dream word.

If it truly wasn’t an effective action, human history modern society would not be what it is.

You don’t have to like it, but it’s there all the same.

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BlueVeins · 22-25

Violence is a tool that can be very effective if applied in just the right way and in just the right contexts. Applying it the wrong way can provoke overwhelming retaliation and alienate people who'd otherwise be sympathetic.

SW-User

Violence very rarely achieves something that diplomacy couldn't.

SW-User

Well I think the US really tried diplomacy with putting sanctions on Russia and we all saw how that worked.

Starve em out@SW-User

SW-User

@SW-User I think the sanctions imposed by the EU/UN/NATO have worked very well - Russia is weak, it is losing funds to support a war effort whilst struggling to muster support elsewhere, and Putin is being forced to the table for diplomatic conversations with Zelenskyy.

If we can resolve Ukraine without any NATO countries having to send troops in, that could only be considered an overwhelming success.

SW-User

@SW-User I’m absolutely in agreement - I was surprised at the efficacy of the sanctions tbh.

It looked like a slap on the hand but damn if it didn’t work

Carissimi · 70-79, F

Unfortunately, you are right. The US would still be under British rule if not for war. The Brits may now be German if not for the US intervention.

DancesForJabba · F

@Carissimi And America would be French without British intervention.

redredred · M

How about,

“Initiating violence achieves nothing honorable”?

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redredred · M

@BlueVeins theft, fraud and bribery are violence. They are a form of criminal taking.

BlueVeins · 22-25

@redredred That's... a pretty unconventional definition of violence. Violence usually refers to physical force.

redredred · M

@BlueVeins a threat is violence even if done over the phone where immediate force is impossible.

Roadsterrider · 56-60, M

Sometimes violence must be met with violence. A bully will always be a bully until someone takes up arms against him. You can talk to a bully and try the diplomatic approach but the most likely outcome is he will still be a bully and hit you when he is tired of listening. And if your diplomacy does save you from a beat down, it doesn't change the bully, he will just spend his urges on someone else who is weaker.

redredred · M

@Roadsterrider Initiating violence is wrong. Responding to violence with superior force is noble.

SW-User

Facts. And some actual still believe world peace can be obtained. 😆

ArishMell · 70-79, M

I see your point but violence is never good even if the less-worst last resort.

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