Can the satanic temple really be considered authentic satanists? I BARELY consider the church of satan as such.

Both just use satan as a symbol. In my opinion, you don't have to be a theistic satanist to be authentic, but you AT LEAST have to believe in black magick. Even if all you think satan is is just an archetype, you at least have to do some ritual, or something satanic.

The satanic temple are just progressives, at the end of the day. And this isn't a slam against progressives, because the politics of the church of satan are also pretty lame; they essentially ayn rands objectivists, mixed with philisophical hedonism. At least they do magick tho.

To me, the authentic satanists are the temple of Set. Their claims are that there was a historical exodus from egypt, and that the hebrews as well as other groups, took the diety Set (god of darkness) and incorporated it into their theology. Basically, Set is the true inspiration for satan. I don't really know if this is true; and I doubt anyone really does... it's just a theory. But it is authentic.

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robingoodfellow · M

If you ever see film footage of Anton LeVey and The Church of Satan it's all rather silly and innocuous. There's nothing really going on there except a lot of harmless sexual activity.
The concept of Satan as we know it an amalgamation of ancient dieties that the Christian Church labeled as the Satan of the Bible, in an effort to get the people to stop looking to them and accept them as evil. Because up to that point even though the people were bringing Christianity into their homes they weren't doing it excluding the Old Ways. They were creating a kind of hybrid Pagan - Christianity. You can still see this in the oldest churches of Europe where images of Christ sit next to images of Pagan Gods.
The Church didn't want that so they demonized anything having to do with the Old Ways.

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robingoodfellow · M

@BRUUH yes Satan, of course, is the fallen angel of the old testement. What he became to the world, through Christianity, is akin to images like these:

Except these aren't Satan. They're images of the Gods Pan and Cernunnos. Dante also took his inspiration from images like these.
Before Abrahamic religion took over Europe and the British Isles ,Gods like these are who the common people took into their homes and lives. Christianity swept through the land, and this is all very well documented, but the people were hesitant to give up these old Gods. So the church told the people these Gods are actually Satan. And he's deceiving you. The church began to persecute those who refused to give them up, labeling them witches and devil worshippers. Satan became a bastardization of these Old Gods. And right up to today that's the image we have of him.
As a Pagan myself I've read up a ton on the history of all this. Feel free to pm if you ever want to discuss.

SatanBurger · 36-40, F

@robingoodfellow That's what I've always thought too.

BRUUH

@robingoodfellow That's really good information, thanks!

Tbh it's debatable if there is a fallen angel of the Old Testament. Isiah:14 is the verse most people use, but in context it may be reffering to the king of babylon, who was called venus; which in latin is lucifer.

SatanBurger · 36-40, F

I think those things means differently to different people so it's kinda hard telling cos it's archaic to begin with and views vary drastically. I'm not entirely sure you can even put any label on anything in that religion.

BRUUH

@SatanBurger It is archaic but I don't really personally take that word to be a bad thing. In many way primitive man was more enlightened than moder man. The technological world has fried our dopamine receptors to hell and zapped our motivation. I do believe ithere could be some dark force called Satan, and I mean LITERALLY, not figuratively or metaphorically.

According to one interpretation of Satan, he's not evil NOR is he a "good" cosmic rebel against jehova, but literally an agent of God. The basic interpretation is that he tempts people to see if they will be loyal to God, much how a goon for a mob boss will be like "so, whad'ya really think of a pachini family huh?". In the book of Job, Satan appears in heaven, and tempts Job to see if he's loyal.
Tho is one if a christian, you can't really have this interpretation. Satan is clearly a villian in the new testament, being rebuked by Jesus and also cast into fires in revelation. But it is interesting.

Penny · 46-50, F

Do you smoke a lot of pot lol?

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LordShadowfire · M

@BRUUH I take personal exception at the idea that you think someone who smokes cannabis is a druggie.

Penny · 46-50, F

@BRUUH also, not trying to make you feel self-conscious. this kind of stuff is just stuff id probably ramble on about if i was really stoned lol

BRUUH

@Penny Ok, thank. Have a hug, penny: 🤗

I hope all is well with you ^.^

LordShadowfire · M

I've met my share of interesting folk, and I can tell you there are genuine Satanists out there. People who worship Satan and all of his demons. But unlike the Church of Satan and the Satanic Temple, they tend to be very secretive, because Christians tend to get all pitchfork-and-torchy when they find out about them. I can't offer advice to you on how to find those people, other than to just keep looking.

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LordShadowfire · M

@BRUUH Start by hanging around pagans a lot. If you're at a loss as to where to find them, I'd start at one of those little crystal and herb shops. Then, once you're acquainted with a couple of regular pagans, casually mention that you're interested in doing work with demons. Every pagan knows at least one of those.

BRUUH

@LordShadowfire What about organized bodies?

LordShadowfire · M

@BRUUH As I say, organized bodies that actually worship Satan are very secretive. You'll have to start by getting to know an individual or two here and there.

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