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It is now ok to shower in the boys locker room as long as they shower in ours?

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Having a male naked in the girls locker room heading to the showers with a towel over his junk led to 5 girls running out shrieking.

Can we invade the boys locker room for tampons and a shower?

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zonavar68 · 56-60, M

I did my Scouting Essentials leader training course on the weekend just gone, and the subject of gender inclusiveness came up when we were talking about sleeping/toileting arrangements for camps and other similar activities.

The current ruling is that a trans person is allowed to use whichever facilities apply to the 'gender' that the trans person identifies as regardless of what their actual real gender (birth gender) is.

That means we have to allow trans youth identifying as male to use male facilities, similarly if they identify as female.

Nobody knows what to do with trans people who might think they are non-binary, or therian, or clown/clownself, or similar.

Remember there are only two genders - male and female - depending on what you were at birth.

Adrift · 61-69, F

@zonavar68 maybe the bathrooms should just be labeled innies or outies.

zonavar68 · 56-60, M

@Adrift Perhaps, but a lot of people have to get over their gender 'sensibilities' and drop the gender 'confusion' stuff.

CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M

@zonavar68 At least your profile picture fits the intelligence level of your discourse on the subject of gender.

Sharon · F

@zonavar68 Male and female aren't genders, they're sexes. The genders are masculine and feminine.

Adrift · 61-69, F

@Sharon Ok so if your sex organ is an outie then you use the one that says outiehouse.

Sharon · F

@Adrift What if one has both?

zonavar68 · 56-60, M

@Sharon If a person has both they have a mental disease and should be sent to Gitmo. ;-)

Sharon · F

@zonavar68 Hermaphrodism is a physical condition, not a psychological one.

CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M

@Sharon Transgender is a physical condition, Sharon. That has been proven.

@zonavar68 I see you are once again sharing opinions which are perfectly expressed by your profile picture.

zonavar68 · 56-60, M

@CorvusBlackthorne TG is a mental disease in the eyes of almost everyone.

Sharon · F

@zonavar68 Apart from psychologists and others who know what they're talking about.

CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M

@zonavar68 Fascinating. And I am to take your word for it, am I? Since you have no source.

zonavar68 · 56-60, M

@Sharon Gender and sex is the same - male and female. If born with boy bits you're a boy forever, likewise if born with girl bits. Regardless of what you decide to think or how you choose to change your body your DNA doesn't lie.

Sharon · F

@zonavar68 Gender and sex refer to different qualities so they are not synomymous. Sex is male and female; gender is masculine and feminine. Furthermore, genetic sex does not necessarily concur with chromosomal sex which does not necessarily concur with genital sex either. It nothing like as simple as some here would like it to be.

This might help - https://www.monash.edu/students/support/lgbtiqa/learning-about/understanding-gender

CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M

@Sharon Nothing helps educate a bigot.

zonavar68 · 56-60, M

@Sharon If you believe the terms 'sex' and 'gender' refer to seperate things that's fine. To me a man is a male, a woman is a female, and while man and women might have highly variable preferences trying to deference one's belief in one's own self awareness down a skewed viewpoint of being a girl when not and vice versa is a pretty warped perspective. Even more warped when you expect others to automatically both recognise and acknowledge your warped perspective like they don't have any choice.

Sharon · F

@zonavar68

To me a man is a male, a woman is a female,

I agree, "man" and "woman" are just specific terms for adult male and female humans respectively. However, gender (masculinity and femininity) does not necesarily concur with sex (male and female). A man is not necessarily predominately masculine nor a woman predominately feminine, which they would be if sex and gender were the same.

Adrift · 61-69, F

@Sharon Who cares.

CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M

@Adrift Humans who do not hate their fellow humans.