and yet, we are expected to believe that they were more driven to vote for Biden?
In a word, YES.
Trump brought SIXTY ONE court cases at different levels in different states with different teams of lawyers, and NONE of them found any evidence of significant election fraud. NONE of them.
Trump also asked his attorney general (and one of his staunchest allies), William Barr, to have the 112,000 member Dept of Justice look into election fraud. I don't know how many members were assigned to look for fraud, but with 112,000 members they have plenty of resources. Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but “to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.”
But wait! There's more!!
In the days after his 2020 loss, Trump's campaign commissioned two different independent firms to look into 2020 election fraud: Simpatico Software, headed by Ken Block, and Berkeley Research Group. Neither found any significant fraud.
In the months after Biden took power, the republican states of Arizona and Georgia carried out very careful hand recounts and examinations of voter rolls, including the notorious Arizona "Cyber Ninja" hand count. Both found no significant fraud and no signs of funny business.
Additional "rigged election" claims have evaporated under scrutiny.
(1) Mike Lindell? Lost to his own "prove me wrong" thing. (2) Mark Meadows? Recanted under oath. (3) Sydney "Kracken" Powell? Recanted under oath. (4) Kenneth Chesebro? Recanted under oath. (5) Rudy Giuliani? Convicted of defamation. (6) Vote counting machines? They match hand counts. (7) 2000 Mules? Source "True the Vote" refuses to back up any of their claims in court, despite subpoenas. (8) Fox News paid out $787,500,000 because they couldn't support their claims of election fraud. $787,500,000 - that ain't pocket change. A business doesn't pay out $787,500,000 for defamation without first spending millions to see if there might be a shred of support for what its people said; to find some excuse for why it's not defamation.
Source info for all points available upon request.
@DogMan Actually, the best economic conditions of the last half century occurred under Bill Clinton - booming GDP and stock growth plus most job creation ever, and Clinton managed to zero the yearly deficit (AKA balance the budget) at the same time.
My point about Obama & Tяump is that Tяump's economy is the linear extension of Obama's. There was no "Tяump miracle." In the ten years of growth prior to Covid, there's no indication of any acceleration under Tяump. Look at the curves.
? Do you see any difference whatsoever between job creation rates under Obama and Trump? I surely don't.
Here's monthly rate of job growth in thousands; it's effectively the derivative of the above; it would show any changes in rate of job growth if changes had occurred. See any "Trump miracle"? Me neither!
@DogManThe trouble with our conservative friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.
Check your history. "Reaganomics" ended with the recession of 1990. The recession officially began in July 1990 and lasted until March 1991. Clinton took office in 1992.
JOB CREATION Reagan 16.5 million Clinton 18.6 million Bush 5.8 million Obama 8.9 million Trump NEGATIVE 3 million
YEARLY DEFICIT Reagan $79 billion to $152 billion Clinton lowered our deficit from 255 billion to a $126 billion SURPLUS in 2001 Bush raised deficit from 0 to 1412 billion Obama lowered deficit from 1412 billion to 585 billion Trump raised from 585 billion up to ~4000 billion
DJIA Jan 20 1981, Reagan takes office 946; Jan 20 1989, Reagan leaves office 2235; Up 136% or 11.3% growth per year. Jan 20 1993, Clinton takes office 3242; Jan 20 2001, Clinton leaves office 10588; up 227%, or 15.92% growth per year. Jan 20 2001, Bush takes office 10588; Jan 20 2009, Bush leaves office 7949; NEGATIVE 3.5% per year. Jan 20 2009, Obama takes office 7949; Jan 20 2017, Obama leaves office 19827; up almost 150% over 8 years, or 12.1% per year (1.121^8=2.49). Jan 20 2017, Trump takes office 19827; Jan 20 2021, Trump leaves office 30,930; up 56% over 4 years, or 11.76% growth per year.
I was certain it was going to be a fair election all along because the same methods and procedures were used as the last time. And, although not the outcome I wanted, I am glad Insurrectionist-Cry-Baby-trump won the popular vote.
@sree251 Yeah, that's credible evidence. No wonder no Court accepted it and dumb-as-a-rock Rudy Guiliani withdrew his court cases... and ultimately lost his law license. But, no you weren't fooled. Not you.
Other than a funny name, what the HECK is "deep state"??
You ever find even a SINGLE ONE of the alleged "millions" of ballots printed by foreign countries?
You ever find even a SINGLE CASE of a ballot counting machine altering the count??
If the machines were altering the count like Trump claimed, how come the hand count matched the machine count so closely???
In all, there were 126 counties within 10 votes of their original vote tally, according to the audit data. Of those counties, 54 counties matched their initial results exactly. No county had an error rate higher than 0.73% compared to their original results.
Trump was naive the first time around. He was knifed by his own party elders. The force behind Trump, as you call it, is treacherous. He needs to stop relying on loyalty from anyone around him and stay one step ahead of everyone if he wants to survive.
@hippyjoe1955 Yes. It is comforting to know that they won't be in Trump's cabinet this time around. Barr was really treacherous. The only honorable man who fell out with Trump was Rex Tillerson. He just left and said nothing.
There’s a lot of talk about massive cheating. Proof will be presented in just a couple of days! We must protest and fight like hell! Let’s march upon the capitol!
Yes. I understand NATO and the military weighed in for Harris - they're going to be embarrassed to drop Trump nukes. Sounds like we dodged a bullet, there.
Yes, the majority has spoken, it´s more than clear they didn´t want to eat Kamala´s word salads, they realized she had the opportunity to make achievments during her time as VP and she did absolutely nothing, she didn´t have a plan, her answers to crucial questions was hogwash and her plan to enlist so called celebrities backfired miserably.
With all of the voter-suppression laws, America hasn't had a fair election, maybe ever. And I'm wondering if, deep down, nobody is glad Trump won. We all know what's coming.
@JohnOlinger81 Weren't you one of those guys who were so sure of a Kamala victory that you were going to invest cyanide if Trump won? That was you wasn't it?
I'm horrified Trump won. But the results are the results. I'm not going to speculate foul play unless actual evidence of it comes out and it's credibly shown to be real. I'm sure there are people looking.
If the machines were altering the count like Trump claimed, how come the hand count matched the machine count so closely???
