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If we were all that bad, there wouldnt be millions lining up just to come in the door.
DogMan · 61-69, M
@MoveAlong Have a nice day, I'm leaving the office.
Waveney · M
@ReptilianFromPlanetCrush
the liberals here think Utopia is living in Castro's Cuba or Maduro's Venezuela

Actually no. For we “liberals” utopia is Scandinavia, Estonia, Uruguay, Costa Rica, New Zealand, Ireland.
Waveney · M
@DogMan
Gee wavy, why do you suppose that is? DUH!!

You know I’m not talking about illegal entry, right..?

I’m talking about people who want to come to America legally, either as tourists, work visas or as migrants. Those numbers are WAY down.

NO ONE wants to come to the US.

Gee wavy, why do you suppose that is? DUH!

Waveney · M
I mostly agree. Not the part about Democrats, which you made up, or the fact that people have been lied to.

Here is an abridged article from one of our sports writers about America and the World Cup. I suggest you read it, you might like it.

The most notable part of being here is the confirmation of just how much people around the world do reflexively despise the US now, or regard it solely as a frightening and hateful entity, an agent of only bad things.

There are sound fact-based reasons for this. The US entered this World Cup having recently murdered the head of state of the second-ranked team in Group G, not to mention offering support to a conflict of annihilation in Palestine. The Trump administration is toying with crashing the world economy. The ICE immigration militia is persecuting its own population. Even the World Cup itself is an act of economic violence, priced out of any sensible human scale.

But hatred of the US as a single entity is also a confusing idea, albeit one that fits a certain monotheistic world view, where there can only be devils and angels. It involves demonising as a single failed entity a hugely diverse and varied nation with elements of every kind of people and every kind of culture, the great human experiment, with all its freedoms and flaws; and doing so based on the actions and pronouncements of a few governing MAGA Republicans.

If America has become this single thing in so many people’s minds, it is perhaps because this is the way we experience things now. Everything is flattened, foreshortened, turned into sound and noise. Never underestimate the effect of the hive mind, that constant third space we carry around with us. This World Cup is the first global event to take place so deep inside that online space, experienced in peeled-eyeball detail through a screen as a set of images and shouted ideas.

This is how our flow of information works now, and indeed how Donald Trump took power, flooding the zone, shouting the simplest message above the noise. The US may feel like an expression of violence simply in its daily existence, an endless amplification of human talent, greed, desire, cruelty, where nobody is ever really in charge, they’re just out there riding it like a runaway bronco. But the US is also not Trump. Seventy‑seven million people voted for him, 272 million did not. A nation of 350 million people with more than 100 significant immigrant cultural groups cannot be one thing.

The US is the world in a very large and varied grain of sand, endlessly rich in all its beauty, energy, flaws and vices. To hate this is a baffling idea. If you don’t like America, what do you like? This is what humans are.

And like everyone else, Americans are oppressed too, right here in their own nation, by a tier of unelected technology overlords, and by an angry and divisive regime. This is a place that has been poisoning its own people for a hundred years, if not with violence and division, then with food, drugs and mental sludge.

For what it’s worth, the gathering of people under the banner of Fifa’s horribly compromised World Cup has provided a reminder of other things. Meeting people in the real space: this is pretty much an act of revolutionary dissent, a refusal to accept the loss of scale.

The reception at this World Cup from everyday people has been warm, anecdotally, and on the immediate evidence it is also striking how often people here want to talk about how their country is viewed by the rest of the world, to apologise and explain, to rage against Trump’s isolationism.

Who knows, perhaps the basic mechanics of sport can help point to something else. So many teams model the exact opposite of separation and division. The diaspora XIs of Curaçao and Cape Verde, for example, which are literally telling you what countries are, how they got this way, how they have interacted with the world, and who are now out there sharing moments of theatrical joy and agony, bumping into each other, coexisting.

Does this have any actual value? Nobody really knows. But Egypt and Iran will play in Seattle at the end of June on the Friday of the city’s Pride celebration, two nations where any kind of diverse sexuality is illegal, but who will just have to lump it and take it in; and this is the best of sport, making people confront each other in the real world space, to appreciate that they are not simply cyphers or hostile entities.

Football isn’t going to unite the world but it may just hold up a useful little hand mirror. This is a show that still provides a model of the best, not the worst, of what the US is supposed to be: a place on the human scale, an idea that fits into your hand. And a reminder that feeling hatred for this place, like hating anywhere else, is to fall into the trap of those who seem very happy to weaponise it.
Waveney · M
@DogMan You clearly didn't bother reading the article, as it was actually pretty positive. Plus I was agreeing with you. But clearly I hurt your feelings.
DogMan · 61-69, M
@Waveney Dude, you couldn't hurt my feelings even if you tried. I am far too positive and confidant
in myself to have anyone be able to hurt my feelings.
kodiac · 26-30, M
@DogMan It hurts his butt
Barefooter25 · 46-50, M
Lots of European and other foreigners have never seen a Walmart, Buc-eee-s, or even a Dennys before. I can't even imagine their expression if they ever go to a Banana Ballgame. 🍌⚾
Barefooter25 · 46-50, M
@DogMan Thank God for the Constitution and our the 2nd Amendment.
DogMan · 61-69, M
@Barefooter25 Most Americans are awesome aren't they? Soccer fans that could not get
an UBER were given rides by strangers. They said that would never happen where they are
from.
Barefooter25 · 46-50, M
@DogMan Most of them have never been to a Waffle House before. To be honest, I would never recommend a Waffle House to a visiting World Cup tourist. On the other hand, I would definitely recommend they go to Dennys or Dunkin Donuts. 🍩
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DogMan · 61-69, M
@4meAndyou True, if the soccer folks spend much time in blue cities, they may not like our country much.
4meAndyou · F
@DogMan I hope they don't. Middle America is SO awesome!
DogMan · 61-69, M
@4meAndyou Yep, middle America is the real America.
Birdbox1986 · 36-40, F
Same with Iran
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
The only person I heard talking about America being in "decay" is Trump who has used this as a pretext to launch his various populist "solutions". While much of this judgement is vague and subjective, on the subject of economic performance this was patently absurd to most impartial observers. Even following Trump's best efforts to sabotage economic growth through protectionism, the USA economy is doing pretty well (at least for those whom it has always benefitted).

Regarding violence, this is again a relatively simple statistical measure. One that is perhaps not surprising in a society that guarantees citizens the right to bear arms.

Tear yourself away from mainstream and social media and try forming your own opinion.
MommyLucy · 36-40, F
@carpediem My 81 year old grandparents love guns and I said I was willing to compromise but I'm sorry even if the constitution says we have the right to bear arms in my opinion healthcare is more important because it is the compassionate thing to do! 😇😇😇 I'm willing to allow more gun rights for the right if you can at least compromise to allow every American to get Universal Healthcare and I wouldn't take your guns away but I think healthcare should be free paid by taxes because everybody deserves healthcare! 😘😘😘 Again though I said over and over I think the left should compromise on guns so at least do the same for Medicare For All because healthcare saves lives where guns take lives but I'm still willing to compromise on what I honestly say is a deadly cruel weapon but I promise I would not take that away but healthcare for all is more important to me regardless of our constitution but again I want you to keep your precious "deadly" guns if it makes you happy! 😘😘😘
MommyLucy · 36-40, F
@carpediem By the way I have mild autism and am not the smartest person out there so I may struggle to debate so I rather not but just know I want you to have your guns if it makes you happy and I wouldn't take that away because while in my heart I disagree with the second ammendment, I am willing to compromise and allow even more gun rights than you have now if the right can at least allow Universal Healthcare to be passed! 😇😇😇 Enjoy your guns and if we ever get Medicare For All, I'll start saying for sure how the left should increase gun rights as a compromise to keep free tax paid healthcare going and that to me is a win/win deal! 😌😌😌
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
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DogMan · 61-69, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout unfortunately their hate for America dribbles down upon other lefties, and
they believe it.
DogMan · 61-69, M
According to AI.


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International soccer fans visiting the U.S. for the 2026 World Cup are marveling at American food, friendliness, and everyday culture, often sharing humorous and enthusiastic reactions online.

Meanwhile Democrats are desperately searching for one person that has negative things to say.
Waveney · M
@DogMan
Meanwhile Democrats are desperately searching for one person that has negative things to say.
I doubt AI said that
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nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
Let's face the facts, they aren't happy about anything in the whole country.
AbbeyRhode · F
Good to see so many eyes being opened to the truth. The "news" media in this country and others are nothing but propaganda machines, spreading lies, mistrust, and hate.
Musicman · 61-69, M
That is definitely the truth of it.
DogMan · 61-69, M
Fear not Lefties, I'm sure the media will find a couple people that have something bad to say
about America, so you will be able to run with it, and pretend all the others are liars.
carpediem · M
@DogMan Or. like to many instances in the recxent past, they'll make something up.
DogMan · 61-69, M
@carpediem Yes, they will, because if someone does get robbed or hurt it will most likely be
in a blue city, and that won't look good for Dems.

 
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