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jackjjackson · M
Would it shock you that I voted for Obama twice? @trollslayer
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@jackjjackson you? No.
jackjjackson · M
Yep. I wanted the younger generation and I fell for hope and same old same old has not worked. That’s why I’m in favor of the new economic policy. The next generation begins in 28 when Vance is elected. @trollslayer
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
I couldn't find anything on it at all so if you got a link that would be great. However I did find this in America:
https://www.asc.upenn.edu/news-events/news/new-study-reveals-democrats-and-republicans-vastly-underestimate-diversity-each-others-views
However I did type your study into chat gpt and found:
1. The study’s framing and audience matters
The visuals (cluster heatmaps) were interpreted as representing ideological coherence vs. dispersion but it’s not a global psychological fact; it's a statistical pattern in survey data, across specific issues.
It reflects network modeling of opinions—not a universal measurement of cognitive diversity or flexibility
2. “Diversity of thought” is hard to define
Psychological research distinguishes between ideological conformity (e.g., groupthink), moral complexity, epistemic openness, and intragroup disagreement.
Other large reviews suggest that both liberals and conservatives are more similar than different in many psychological domains, with nuanced differences in motivation, cognition, and affect
3. Forward and backward bias in interpretation
Online commentary interpreting the study—especially from ideologically aligned blogs or commentators—often exaggerates the findings to support broader claims about intellectual diversity or laziness on one side.
Broader literature shows ideological clustering on both ends
Research on group polarization, echo chambers, and ideological homophily shows that both left and right can exhibit strong internal agreement and resistance to dissent, depending on issue
Scholars like Jonathan Haidt have pointed to a lack of political diversity within academic social psychology itself, especially on the left, which may distort perspective
This study is one data point, interesting for modeling opinion clusters.
It shows that, on certain issues, self-identified right-wing individuals displayed a broader spread of responses than left-wing individuals in that sample.
But it does not show that conservatives are generally more ideologically flexible, nor that liberals lack independent thought at scale.
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Dunno if that's your study couldn't find nothing though chatgpt seems to have found something similar.
https://www.asc.upenn.edu/news-events/news/new-study-reveals-democrats-and-republicans-vastly-underestimate-diversity-each-others-views
According to a new study by researchers at the Annenberg School for Communication at the University of Pennsylvania, both Democrats and Republicans significantly underestimate the diversity of policy attitudes within their own party and among the opposing party. This discovery challenges existing beliefs about polarization and suggests that reducing these misperceptions could ease political tensions
However I did type your study into chat gpt and found:
1. The study’s framing and audience matters
The visuals (cluster heatmaps) were interpreted as representing ideological coherence vs. dispersion but it’s not a global psychological fact; it's a statistical pattern in survey data, across specific issues.
It reflects network modeling of opinions—not a universal measurement of cognitive diversity or flexibility
2. “Diversity of thought” is hard to define
Psychological research distinguishes between ideological conformity (e.g., groupthink), moral complexity, epistemic openness, and intragroup disagreement.
Other large reviews suggest that both liberals and conservatives are more similar than different in many psychological domains, with nuanced differences in motivation, cognition, and affect
3. Forward and backward bias in interpretation
Online commentary interpreting the study—especially from ideologically aligned blogs or commentators—often exaggerates the findings to support broader claims about intellectual diversity or laziness on one side.
Broader literature shows ideological clustering on both ends
Research on group polarization, echo chambers, and ideological homophily shows that both left and right can exhibit strong internal agreement and resistance to dissent, depending on issue
Scholars like Jonathan Haidt have pointed to a lack of political diversity within academic social psychology itself, especially on the left, which may distort perspective
This study is one data point, interesting for modeling opinion clusters.
It shows that, on certain issues, self-identified right-wing individuals displayed a broader spread of responses than left-wing individuals in that sample.
But it does not show that conservatives are generally more ideologically flexible, nor that liberals lack independent thought at scale.
...
Dunno if that's your study couldn't find nothing though chatgpt seems to have found something similar.
DogMan · 61-69, M
@SatanBurger Thank you for posting this. The consensus has always been that the Left is the open minded, diverse
party. Both of these studies show that is not the case. The British Study of the American right and left shows the
right is far more diverse, your study shows they are about the same. The truth is probably in the middle, which still
means the right is more diverse.
party. Both of these studies show that is not the case. The British Study of the American right and left shows the
right is far more diverse, your study shows they are about the same. The truth is probably in the middle, which still
means the right is more diverse.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@DogMan But it does not show that conservatives are generally more ideologically flexible, nor that liberals lack independent thought at scale.
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It reflects network modeling of opinions—not a universal measurement of cognitive diversity or flexibility
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It reflects network modeling of opinions—not a universal measurement of cognitive diversity or flexibility
trollslayer · 46-50, M
jackjjackson · M
Interesting. Why do you think that is? @trollslayer
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@jackjjackson short answer: many are simply anti-democrat or anti government in general. “Middle finger” attitudes. Issues like abortion they could care less about. They just want lower taxes and less interaction with the government - and to them Republican is the only choice.
jackjjackson · M
Makes good sense other than the middle finger part 🤣 @trollslayer
DogMan · 61-69, M
They asked participants to rank their opinions on eight questions regarding “hot-button topics such as abortion, immigration, gun control, and gay marriage” on a 5-point scale. They concluded the “cluster reflecting Democrat belief-system almost exclusively contained extreme attitudes as indicated by strong disagreement with each of the eight items. Conversely, the cluster reflecting the Republican belief-system contained a wider range of attitude responses ranging from mild disagreement to maximum agreement.”
To me, this shows that Republicans are far more open minded.
To me, this shows that Republicans are far more open minded.
Interesting study, to say the least. But I'm not sure diversity on these particular topics really means Republicans are more "open minded." You need to consider the topics chosen and not chosen, as well as what was being studied, identification.
According to
the present findings, Democrats (more than Republicans) tightly centre their belief-system around
a set of positions at the extremes of these particular items, implying that people who deviate from
these positions are likely to be considered as outgroup members (extremity should thereby be un-
derstood as a function of both, the formulation of the item and the response). It is possible that
holding extreme (and thus unnegotiable) attitudes on important social-political issues has become
increasingly identity defining for Democrats, not least in response to Donald Trump's controversial
presidency. The pattern does not imply that Republicans are more tolerant than Democrats, nor that
Republicans could deal better with attitudinal uncertainty. It does imply, however, that – at this par-
ticular moment in time– Democrats and Republicans are constructing and managing their partisan
identities differently in relation to the topics reflected in these questionnaire items. Research sug-
gests that social category membership (e.g., being White, Christian) is more important for the construction of Republican identity than it is for Democrat identity (Mason & Wronski, 2018). Fulfilling
such normative criteria may hence qualify someone as a valid group member even if that same per-
son may hold somewhat liberal views on, for example, gay marriage.
According to
the present findings, Democrats (more than Republicans) tightly centre their belief-system around
a set of positions at the extremes of these particular items, implying that people who deviate from
these positions are likely to be considered as outgroup members (extremity should thereby be un-
derstood as a function of both, the formulation of the item and the response). It is possible that
holding extreme (and thus unnegotiable) attitudes on important social-political issues has become
increasingly identity defining for Democrats, not least in response to Donald Trump's controversial
presidency. The pattern does not imply that Republicans are more tolerant than Democrats, nor that
Republicans could deal better with attitudinal uncertainty. It does imply, however, that – at this par-
ticular moment in time– Democrats and Republicans are constructing and managing their partisan
identities differently in relation to the topics reflected in these questionnaire items. Research sug-
gests that social category membership (e.g., being White, Christian) is more important for the construction of Republican identity than it is for Democrat identity (Mason & Wronski, 2018). Fulfilling
such normative criteria may hence qualify someone as a valid group member even if that same per-
son may hold somewhat liberal views on, for example, gay marriage.
DogMan · 61-69, M
Liberals pride themselves on being a bastion of diversity. As it turns out, they’re rather uniform in this belief.
“Democrats (more than Republicans) tightly centre their belief-system around a set of positions at the extremes of these particular items, implying that people who deviate from these positions are likely to be considered as outgroup members,” according to a study from the British Journal of Social Psychology making the rounds on social media. “It is possible that holding extreme (and thus unnegotiable) attitudes on important social-political issues has become increasingly identity defining for Democrats,” the authors speculate.
“Democrats (more than Republicans) tightly centre their belief-system around a set of positions at the extremes of these particular items, implying that people who deviate from these positions are likely to be considered as outgroup members,” according to a study from the British Journal of Social Psychology making the rounds on social media. “It is possible that holding extreme (and thus unnegotiable) attitudes on important social-political issues has become increasingly identity defining for Democrats,” the authors speculate.
Carla · 61-69, F
jackjjackson · M
I look forward to reading it. In fact you were proved wrong immediately after you asked your snarky question/comment 🤣
@Carla
DogMan · 61-69, M
@Carla It was a British study of American right and left. I was trying to find it again, but I have to go.
I'll let you know tomorrow.
@Carla It was a British study of American right and left. I was trying to find it again, but I have to go.
I'll let you know tomorrow.
@Carla
ThePatientAnarchist · 61-69
tenente · 36-40, M
DogMan · 61-69, M
@tenente
tenente · 36-40, M
Conservative here. I think this is true. A lot of immigrants I know who come to America join the Republican party. It's wild because you'd think they'd gravitate to the Democrat side of the spectrum, but they're more protectionist than liberal
Yes, this is true because the law abiding immigrants are family people, and they also have religion, and morals
And they ALL know what a man and woman are.
tenente · 36-40, M
Conservative here. I think this is true. A lot of immigrants I know who come to America join the Republican party. It's wild because you'd think they'd gravitate to the Democrat side of the spectrum, but they're more protectionist than liberal
Yes, this is true because the law abiding immigrants are family people, and they also have religion, and morals
And they ALL know what a man and woman are.
SatyrService · M
yes that makes sence
in one way, a "Social Conservative" is not seeking radical changes
a political conservative OR Liberal
is gunning for big changes
in one way, a "Social Conservative" is not seeking radical changes
a political conservative OR Liberal
is gunning for big changes
Carla · 61-69, F
@DogMan ahhh...rhetoric. how's those gas prices? You payin' a buck ninety nine?
How about your burger? Or hey...how's your homeowners insurance rate? My new policy just came up. I got an eighteen percent increase.
Trump says all those prices are down. Says you are gonna get a twelve hundred percent reduction in your meds in two or three months.
Says he's gonna send you a tariffs rebate. But hawley says just trump voters. That will suit you.
You can put that in the bank with your doge rebate.
You speak of simplistic rhetoric. Nothing plays more to a simple persons sensibilities than promises of milk and honey. And retribution.
How about your burger? Or hey...how's your homeowners insurance rate? My new policy just came up. I got an eighteen percent increase.
Trump says all those prices are down. Says you are gonna get a twelve hundred percent reduction in your meds in two or three months.
Says he's gonna send you a tariffs rebate. But hawley says just trump voters. That will suit you.
You can put that in the bank with your doge rebate.
You speak of simplistic rhetoric. Nothing plays more to a simple persons sensibilities than promises of milk and honey. And retribution.
DogMan · 61-69, M
@Carla Gas prices are down about 25% where I am. Not sure about Homeowners insurance, are you talking about
mortgage insurance? Now my vehicle insurance did go way up, about 50% Not sure what that is about. I do live in
a large tourist town, that doesn't help.
We may get a rebate, if we do it should only go to tax payers, left and right. Do you know that my wife and I pay almost
1,000.00 per month extra with Medicare because we both still work fulltime? This is to help the people that chose not
to work.
Speaking of promises of milk and honey, That is the entire Democrat party Carla. You don't see Republicans asking
for free anything. Mamdani is enticing Democrats with all kinds of free stuff, remember him?
mortgage insurance? Now my vehicle insurance did go way up, about 50% Not sure what that is about. I do live in
a large tourist town, that doesn't help.
We may get a rebate, if we do it should only go to tax payers, left and right. Do you know that my wife and I pay almost
1,000.00 per month extra with Medicare because we both still work fulltime? This is to help the people that chose not
to work.
Speaking of promises of milk and honey, That is the entire Democrat party Carla. You don't see Republicans asking
for free anything. Mamdani is enticing Democrats with all kinds of free stuff, remember him?
Carla · 61-69, F
@DogMan national average of gas prices in jan was $3.10. So you are telling me you are paying $2.42?
I also live in a tourist area. Prices are at $3.29. A six or seven percent increase.
No. Homeowner's insurance. My home is paid for.
People in new york will make a choice. It is theirs to make.
I dont think your medicare pays for medicaid...
I also live in a tourist area. Prices are at $3.29. A six or seven percent increase.
No. Homeowner's insurance. My home is paid for.
People in new york will make a choice. It is theirs to make.
I dont think your medicare pays for medicaid...
AbbeyRhode · F
Makes sense. Democrats are brainwashed drones who "think" whatever CNN and MSNBC tell them to. There is no reasoning or thinking going on. They have no proof to back up anything they say, they just repeat buzzwords and propaganda.
Republicans look at the facts, often from numerous sources, and make informed decisions about where they stand on the issues. They may not all agree, but not being programmed for violence as the Democrats are, they don't feel the need to kill each other over it.
Republicans look at the facts, often from numerous sources, and make informed decisions about where they stand on the issues. They may not all agree, but not being programmed for violence as the Democrats are, they don't feel the need to kill each other over it.
DogMan · 61-69, M
@AbbeyRhode Correct, proof of that is that all Dems wait until the DNC narrative is set forth to have an opinion,
unless it's about Trump. Trump good? ignore it. Trump bad?, spread it as fast as possible.
And every issue has the exact same buzz words and catch phrases, there is no variation in their reports.
unless it's about Trump. Trump good? ignore it. Trump bad?, spread it as fast as possible.
And every issue has the exact same buzz words and catch phrases, there is no variation in their reports.
DogMan · 61-69, M
“Diversity” is not the classical liberal’s organizing principle. “Equality” is. See: inalienable rights. The modern liberal goes a step further, demanding not just natural rights, but equality of outcome. Differences between individuals – of the cognitive, ideological, racial, or sexual variety – are impediments to that end. When the world is boiled down into a homogenous gray goo, true equality will be had at last.
jackjjackson · M
The honest “money people” KNOW that the President is on the right track which is reflected in the stock market. No other President in a century has attempted to change the economic policy that resulted in the huge deficit and massive interest payments. No other President in a century has attempted to fix the mistaken economic policy that has resulted in severe damage to patriotic US citizen taxpayers.
I’d kind of agree with you about conservatives. However Grassley is in his 90’s and times do change. Even more pressure is being put on traditional moderate dems by the loudmouth lime left.
@MistyCee
I’d kind of agree with you about conservatives. However Grassley is in his 90’s and times do change. Even more pressure is being put on traditional moderate dems by the loudmouth lime left.
@MistyCee
@jackjjackson You make Trump sound more like a radical than a Conservative there. For all the hype about communists and the radical left end of the Democratic party, I still feel like the pressure is nowhere near like what Trump has been doing by culling the Republican herd of non-loyal Trumpists. He's even pissing on the Federalist Society.
I'm sure most Federalist Society members identify as Conservatives on studies, so I guess that helps explain the "open minded" thing.
I'm sure most Federalist Society members identify as Conservatives on studies, so I guess that helps explain the "open minded" thing.
jackjjackson · M
Radical? Seems progressive in its truest sense. Looking to the future with optimism and a reason for it. @MistyCee
Stuffy · 61-69, F
Many of these studies are poorly done and mean whatever the interpreter wants them to mean. For example it could be interpreted to mean: There are many ways to be in the wrong and many foolish views but there are less ways to be intelligent and correct.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
Yeah, but even Calvin Candie had Stephen, so...