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Carla · 61-69, F
@DogMan i get all of that...except the thing about trump. I did not go to college. I was successful in my working life as well. Not everyone is, no matter how hard they try. It's an aptitude thing.
Now that i am older, i wish i had gone to college. For anything. Even though i would still have chosen the same career path. College teaches more than the subject at hand.
Again...this administration wants screw turners. Those people that have no mechanical aptitude and were convinced that college is for indoctrinated soi boy losers.
So hey...what in trump's big beautiful, 1100 page bill will help you or other small businesses? Or tariffs? How will they help you?
Those things sure are helping the uber rich though, right?
Now that i am older, i wish i had gone to college. For anything. Even though i would still have chosen the same career path. College teaches more than the subject at hand.
Again...this administration wants screw turners. Those people that have no mechanical aptitude and were convinced that college is for indoctrinated soi boy losers.
So hey...what in trump's big beautiful, 1100 page bill will help you or other small businesses? Or tariffs? How will they help you?
Those things sure are helping the uber rich though, right?
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
We need these options for students who don’t want to go to a traditional 4-year college. Not everyone is cut out for that and it’s been pushed for the last 30 years. Have known some who went to college and then didn’t get a job with the degree that they majored in or if they did they didn’t actually like it the way they thought and found something else. It just seems a lot more practical to have more trade schools. If someone is really ambitious they can get their contractor’s license and start their own business and be their own boss.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
@LadyGrace They have a Vo-Tech school here and the boy is going for HVAC this past year and next year. I told him maybe if he wanted to he could also go to a 2-year college, Okmulgee Tech like my brother-in-law and his son did for HVAC. That way he could get his contractor’s license.
Theyitis · 36-40, M
This is something on which I don’t necessarily disagree with you. Trade schools are valuable and serve a good purpose. We need schools to prepare people for hands-on jobs like those schools do. I don’t have any problem with more funding for trade schools.
That said, I am not in favor of funding being diverted from Harvard and other liberal arts colleges and universities to fund trade schools like President Trump is doing. Lots of places more funding for trade schools could potentially come from, and I am opposed to cutting funding from four year colleges and universities. I strongly believe that the value of knowledge is greater than simply how much money it helps you make. Knowledge is an end in itself, and we certainly need schools that teach on a much wider variety of subjects than trade schools do as well. I think they are equally important.
That said, I am not in favor of funding being diverted from Harvard and other liberal arts colleges and universities to fund trade schools like President Trump is doing. Lots of places more funding for trade schools could potentially come from, and I am opposed to cutting funding from four year colleges and universities. I strongly believe that the value of knowledge is greater than simply how much money it helps you make. Knowledge is an end in itself, and we certainly need schools that teach on a much wider variety of subjects than trade schools do as well. I think they are equally important.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@RedBaron I'm fine with all the special programs for the neeedy, the GIs, etc. I just think the need for education shouldn't be prioritized for smart kids or achievers.
RedBaron · M
@Heartlander Then how else other than by merit? You prefer DEI and affirmative action?
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@RedBaron Not really. I prefer not depriving so that everyone has access, but that's not the same as giving some privileged access. Except maybe when that privilege is in exchange for some benefit to the interest of the people. Like the GI bill, or work study programs.
I'm not big on sat scores or academic success for a lot of different reasons. One being my own experience by starting our kids in good Montessori programs. Programs based on the needs of the kids rather than the rigidity of the process. Our daughter never saw a report card until she was in the 6th grade, and is an over-achiever. In part because school was a place to learn and live, not a contest or a place to be graded. In college she integrated school and work through the university's extension services with the hands on engagements during the summers being as important as the classrooms in the semesters.
I'm not big on sat scores or academic success for a lot of different reasons. One being my own experience by starting our kids in good Montessori programs. Programs based on the needs of the kids rather than the rigidity of the process. Our daughter never saw a report card until she was in the 6th grade, and is an over-achiever. In part because school was a place to learn and live, not a contest or a place to be graded. In college she integrated school and work through the university's extension services with the hands on engagements during the summers being as important as the classrooms in the semesters.
carpediem · 61-69, M
In the past, trades people made decent money and could own a home, save money, become upwardly mobile by working a second job and mothers stayed home with kids through their formative years. Ahhhh the good old days. Trade schools are important and I think it's a great move on his part.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
I’m a big advocate of this. It’s not so much about people losing the ability to take care of simple projects (although that would be nice), it is about a lack of good tradespeople who know what the hell they are doing.
If I was Home Depot or Napa auto - I would invest in this. Those people are their future customers. HD has a free kids project the first saturday of every month - great idea! Not only teaches kids but the parents that help them.
If I was Home Depot or Napa auto - I would invest in this. Those people are their future customers. HD has a free kids project the first saturday of every month - great idea! Not only teaches kids but the parents that help them.
Midlifemale · 61-69, M
oldguy73 · 70-79, M
@Midlifemale very well. yup
DogMan · 61-69, M
@Midlifemale Year when our dads grew up during the depression they kind of had to know how to do
everything themselves. My dad worked as a machinist after the war, and he built fine furniture in our
basement.
everything themselves. My dad worked as a machinist after the war, and he built fine furniture in our
basement.
oldguy73 · 70-79, M
a 2 year college degree is worthless, plumbers, electricians carpenters make very good money,i live in nys, and factories are begging for good help, average cost to install a hot water tank is $400 1 hour profit,, it cost me $400 to snake a drain, 1 hour, trade are a good skill
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
@oldguy73 I agree.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@DogMan
I never could understand the math behind the price of college tuition. It's only understandable if college tuition is something universities give away free to some while charging others more, a lot more.
That cost shifting follows the model liberals created in health care.
Like multiply the student-faculty ratio by the advertised tuition, subtract the average faculty salary and what remains is a fortune. So where dies all that $$ go, or was it ever there?
I never could understand the math behind the price of college tuition. It's only understandable if college tuition is something universities give away free to some while charging others more, a lot more.
That cost shifting follows the model liberals created in health care.
Like multiply the student-faculty ratio by the advertised tuition, subtract the average faculty salary and what remains is a fortune. So where dies all that $$ go, or was it ever there?
