There once was a world-warming trend, That scared the woke lefties no end: "We must BAN fossil fuels, And be SOCIALIST tools, Or DOOM will upon us descend !" 😱
A gumdrop and rainbow Left World 🌈 Tailored for these Boyz and these Girlz 👫 Think when the world's Warming 🌍 For sure it's a Warning🤯 To run & hide like scared 'lil Squirrels! 🐿
Parts of south-east England currently have a climate similar to the Champagne region in the 1970s (when some of the finest vintages were produced) and millions are being invested in vineyards. That is a benign or even positive effect of global warming. But I'm not sure that mitigates the unbearably hot summers in parts of the mediteranean or destruction of property by wildfire.
@DogMan I understand English is not your first language so I'll give you a pass for getting everything wrong there. In future though you should be more careful because you came across as a right prat there.
1909-1910 – Amundsen sailed an ice-free NW Passage
Amundsen was a brave heroic man. However, we don't have to depend on two years of local arctic observations. We have eight hundred thousand years of climate data to work with, covering about 7 ice ages. The climate data comes from bubbles in glacial ice, and is corroborated by data from lake & sea floor sediments. https://icecores.org/about-ice-cores CO2 & methane & temp data
Here's where the various data sets were collected:
The most salient thing about the 800,000 years of climate data is the rate of change during those previous 7 ice ages compared to the current rate of change this century.
The data is fed into supercomputer numerical models. The models can be trained on some of the seven ice ages and tested on others. Here's a very out-of-date model just to give you a sense of what they're like and how many climate variables are involved.
http://web.mit.edu/globalchange/www/climate.html
P.S. Some may ask where does the money for climate research come from? Fair question - it comes mostly from the National Science Foundation. Equally fair: where does the money for climate denial come from? The US oil industry makes about $110 billion per year; coal another $20 billion. Big Oil spends $3.6 billion per year on advertising; a sum equal to about 8X the whole NSF climate budget. You're not naive enough to believe none of that money goes to propaganda, are you?
@DogMan True. But, as I said elsewhere under this question, the global warming / climate change we're seeing in the last 100 or so years is MUCH different from anything measured in the glacial & sea sediment records covering the last 800,000 years. CO2 is rising 100x faster, and temps 10x faster.
Here is 800,000 years of CO2 & methane & temp data. The last century is unlike ANY of the 8000 prior centuries!!
Man-made climate change is responsible for mellowing of some harsh climates such as in the Sahara Desert. You don’t hear about that as much (especially if Faux News is your primary source) for the obvious reason that that’s not a problem. Climate change is causing weather that is bad for humans in many more places throughout the world, and that is a very significant problem for humanity.
However, the climate of the Sahara is not getting better quickly enough to be hospitable to human life anytime soon.
@trollslayer And such research by Exxon, back in the 1950's, predicted Climate Change due to fossil fuel usage, but Exxon suppressed the data as it was bad for business.
Warming phases throughout a short 500 year history ....................We are currently in another temporary warming phase....
Northwest Passage Expeditions John Cabot John Cabot, a Venetian navigator living in England, became the first European to explore the Northwest Passage in 1487
He sailed from Bristol, England, in May with a small crew of 18 men and made landfall somewhere in the Canadian Maritime islands the following month. Like Christopher Columbus five years before him, Cabot thought he had reached the shores of Asia.
King Henry VII authorized a second, larger expedition for Cabot in 1498. This expedition included five ships and 200 men. Cabot and his crew never returned. They are thought to have been shipwrecked in a severe storm in the North Atlantic.
Jacques Cartier In 1534, King Francis I of France sent explorer Jacques Cartier to the New World in search of riches… and a faster route to Asia. He took two ships and 61 men with him, exploring the coast of Newfoundland and the Gulf of St. Lawrence and discovering today’s Prince Edward Island, but not the Northwest Passage.
Cartier’s second voyage took him up the St. Lawrence River to Quebec, which he is credited with founding. Faced with scurvy among his men and increasingly angry Iroquois, Cartier captured Iroquois chiefs and brought them to France, where they told King Francis I about another great river that lead Westward to riches and, perhaps, Asia.
Cartier’s third voyage took place in 1541 and was not successful. He retired to his estate in Saint-Malo, never to sail again.
Francisco de Ulloa The Spanish referred to The Northwest Passage as the "Straight of Anián." In 1539, Spanish explorer Francisco de Ulloa, funded by Hernán Cortés, set sail from Acapulco, Mexico, in search of a Pacific route to the Northwest Passage. He sailed North up the California Coast as far as the Gulf of California, but turned around when he was unable to find the fabled Straight of Anián. He is credited with proving that California is a peninsula, not an island–a popular misconception at the time.
Henry Hudson In 1609, the merchants of the Dutch East India Company hired English explorer Henry Hudson to find the Northwest Passage from the Atlantic to the Pacific. Hudson navigated along the North American coast looking for a more southern, ice-free route across the North American continent to the Pacific Ocean.
@DogMan And look at the time scale: 45 years. From $10 billion/year to $130 billion per year. Increasing storm strength and frequency are the proximate cause; global climate change is the ultimate cause.
@DogMan From $10 billion/year in 1980 to to $130 billion per year in 2024. Median home price in 1980 was $47,000; $417,000 in 2024. Homes increased by a factor of 8.87; damage increased by a factor of 13. Inflation & cost of living changes only explain 2/3 of the increase.
The reason we've switched from "global warming" to "climate change" is that there are other effects that are only indirectly related to the thermometer. Sea level rise is a particular concern because it has "momentum." Meaning that even if we stopped adding CO2 to the atmosphere tomorrow, glacial melting would continue for decades, raising sea levels and threatening our low lying cities.
@DogMan Gosh, according to the City of San Diego, you are DEAD WRONG!!!
During the 20th century, sea levels rose 0.71 feet in San Diego. By 2100, San Diego could experience another 3.6 to 7 feet of sea level rise. Sea level rise will mean more flooding and faster rates of erosion along the coastline. https://www.sandiego.gov/climate-resilient-sd/sea-level-rise
Perhaps the City of San Diego is more careful about their measurements than you are. Or maybe it's a GiAnTt CoNsPiRaCy!!!
@ElwoodBlues Oh, OK, so during the 1900's it went up about 8". So that would be around .08 inches per year, or 8 tenths of an inch per decade. How did I miss that?
OK, so we know that about the 20th century, what about the last 25 years?
120 Years Of Climate Doom: The 1970s Ice age Scare.
radio times ice age 1974 If you thought the Northwest Passage has never been ice-free, think again. During the warming period in the early 20th century, the NW passage was open during the summer, much like it is today.
The difference: today you have a trillion-dollar cottage industry based on climate warming scares. From Australian Climate Sceptic:
1845 – The whole of Sir John Franklin’s expedition to find the NW Passage died and their ships were crushed by the ice near Baffin Island
1909-1910 – Amundsen sailed an ice-free NW Passage
1922 – The Arctic is warming and fishermen are catching species that have never been seen there before.
1970 – Kenneth Field “The world is cooling and global temperatures could drop by up to 11ºC that would freeze the North Atlantic for 4- months of the year within 20 years.
@DogMan The Amundsen expedition took 3 years because the ships were repeatedly iced in. Historically the Northwest passage was a myth and no expedition ever made it through other than by going overland at great cost.
@DogMan Amundsen took 3 years to sail through the North West passage and was iced in on several occasions. That's not an ice free trip. As for1922 https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.32EH2J7
It is obvious that the planet has been warming and cooling for millions of years, and will continue to do so. We will all adapt to both cold and heat. Please stop scarring our children. When it is too hot outside, tell them to cool off. When it is freezing cold, tell them to get warmed up.
It is obvious that the planet has been warming and cooling for millions of years, and will continue to do so.
True.
However, the global warming / climate change we're seeing in the last 100 or so years is MUCH different from anything measured in the glacial & sea sediment records covering the last 800,000 years. CO2 is rising 100x faster, and temps 10x faster.
"How is Today’s Warming Different from the Past?" https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/GlobalWarming/page3.php "As the Earth moved out of ice ages over the past million years, the global temperature rose a total of 4 to 7 degrees Celsius over about 5,000 years. In the past century alone, the temperature has climbed 0.7 degrees Celsius, roughly ten times faster than the average rate of ice-age-recovery warming."
How is today's CO2 increase different? https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide "The annual rate of increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide over the past 60 years is about 100 times faster than previous natural increases, such as those that occurred at the end of the last ice age 11,000-17,000 years ago."
Fact is, anthropogenic global warming is accepted by a YUGE segment of the scientific community. Would you accept the consensus opinion of the American Physical Society AND the American Chemical Society? How about the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and at least 15 other national organizations of publishing scientists? See https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
1970 – Kenneth Field “The world is cooling and global temperatures could drop by up to 11ºC that would freeze the North Atlantic for 4- months of the year within 20 years.
Whoever this "Kenneth Field" is, he did NOT have access to the 800,000 years of climate data we now have.
Lol, a COUPLE articles???? OK, whatever you say. 🙄 Whatever fits your narrative.
OK, lets take a look the scientific cooling vs warming predictions from the 1960s and '70s. Oh look, by 1970 the cooling predictions were a small minority. Sounds like someone cherry picked this "Kenneth Field" fellow.
@ElwoodBlues Well, I will admit that last summer here in Southern Nevada was the worst since I got stationed here in 1977. It was brutally hot for 4 months straight. So far this May has been cooler than last May. We are going to get close to 110 this weekend. Luckily I have a place in the mountains in Southern Utah to escape to.
@DogMan Interesting. BTW, the "climate" that scientists refer to involves like 5-year global averages. So local seasonal variations are more in the category of weather than climate.
Remember, the climate change happening now, has been happening for thousands of years. We will enter another stage in time where the globe cools like it did in the 1970's when experts were warning of global cooling.
@DogMan The 1970's were not a period of cooler temperatures. You're confusing what was localised weather with Global temperatures. The scientific consensus, then and now, was the Planet was warming. Nb Here in the UK we had some extremely hot summers, but again that's weather fluctuations.
@22Michelle The expert climatologists were claiming we were going into another ice age in the 70's.
I remember being in southern Nevada in 1979 when it snowed 6+ inches and stayed cold enough to stay on the ground for over a week. I have spent almost 50 years in Las Vegas, and we have never had anything close to that again.
@DogMan The ice age claims were based on climate changes throughout earth's history that we were heading towards a period when we could expect a lowering of temperatures. Possibly an ice age. And the "forecast" was based on the science available back in the 1950's and 1960's. The advances in computerisation, satellite technology has allowed the capture of vastly more data, the analysis of the data and far greater accuracy of weather and climate forecasting. To compare current climate science with what was being used 50-60 years is, I have to say, just rather silly.
@whowasthatmaskedman Currently enduring a once in 500 year flood, after enduring two once in a century floods.
I often wonder how they determine a once in a century flood, or 500 year flood. It sounds like they know there will be bad floods every 100 or 500 years. How would they know? Have they had terrible floods approximately every 100 years and 500 years? Sounds like it has been happening for thousands of years.
@Thinkerbell Waterfront mansions? To whom, exactly, are you referring?? Obama's house on Martha's Vineyard is several hundred feet back from the ocean. The adjacent body of water is called Tisbury Great Pond. And, due to Michelle's book sales, they are rich enough to depreciate that house over the next several decades as the sea encroaches, thus recouping their initial investment.
Swing and a miss; care to try again??
P.S. I find it odd that you are focused on the behavior of a handful of very wealthy people rather than the statements of tens of thousands of scientists.
Fact is, anthropogenic global warming slash climate change is accepted by a YUGE segment of the scientific community. Would you accept the consensus opinion of the American Physical Society AND the American Chemical Society? How about the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and at least 15 other national organizations of publishing scientists? See https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
@DogMan Thats a very good question, for which I dont have an answer. And clearly (assume for a moment climate is changing, for whatever reason) those numbers are going to shift over time through statistical analysis and standard deviations.😷
http://web.mit.edu/globalchange/www/climate.html
https://www.globalchange.gov/browse/indicators/global-sea-level-rise
https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-coastal-flooding
Update: source https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/bams/89/9/2008bams2370_1.xml
