We Dare Not Say about the Ukraine War

It has to be said: The US instigated a proxy war with Russia.

Russia is wrong for invading Ukraine. But the US set the stage for this hell that the people of Ukraine are going through.

Even Biden himself is on video saying that NATO expansion will not end well.

This shit has been ongoing for a long time, folks.

It's not new, or out of the gold and blue.

It's the usual Red White and Blue.

It all comes down to Uncle Sam.

And I hate to say it, because believe it or not, I do love this country a lot.

I don't like the government/corporate duopoly.

It makes me sad to see this great country slowly decline. Through it's own barbaric tendancies.

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RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M

'It has to be said: The US instigated a proxy war with Russia.'

It has to be said that is a crock of shit.

samueltyler2 · 80-89, M

@RodionRomanovitch putin has convinced so many, as has a lot of bots/trolls on social media

RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M

@samueltyler2 It's the one thing they are actually good at.

GeistInTheMachine · 31-35, M

@RodionRomanovitch Why is it a crock? To point out NATO expansion was bad? Even in the US this was debated when it happened.

RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M

@GeistInTheMachine You said the US instigated a proxy war. That is patent nonsense.

Even if you buy into the idea that NATO expansionism was provocative , it's a huge leap to then suggest it was an existential threat to Russia. The only people using that line were the Russians after they invaded. Furthermore , there was no realistic prospect of Ukraine becoming a NATO member , either in the short or medium term , or for that matter if ever.

GeistInTheMachine · 31-35, M

@RodionRomanovitch i'm not the one making the leap that it was an existential threat. It looks to me that Moscow interpreted it that way. They may also see benefits to having control of Ukraine. It's not mutually exclusive.

But you yourself are admitting that the us expanding NATO was provactive.

The USA created a precarious situation here ripe for picking. They created a flashpoint.

The United States magnifies and exploits these geopolitical hot spots for the percieved national gain of the elite

That's precicely my point!

samueltyler2 · 80-89, M

@GeistInTheMachine Please tell us who you define as the elite that is benefiting from the Russian invasion of Ukraine? Please tell us all who is the who that said the US instigated a proxy war with Russia. While you are at it, why would anyone want that?