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What option awaits us in Ukraine?

In the autumn of 1963, the Kennedy administration was made aware of a plot against the president of South Vietnam, Ngo Dinh Diem. There had been growing unhappiness within the elite of South Vietnam over his handling of the Buddhist crisis and the Viet Cong insurgency. Earlier in the year a plot had been hatched by junior officers, but it had been suppressed. This new plot had the support of the generals.

Unhappy with Diem’s leadership, the Kennedy administration, upon learning of the pending coup, sent a cable to the American ambassador in Vietnam, Henry Cabot Lodge, instructing him to inform Diem of their unhappiness with him and to let the generals know that they would not intervene in a coup attempt. This, in effect, gave Washington’s stamp of approval to the plot. Continuation...
@YourRussian The Russians never lost in Afghanistan. They simply got so many Russians killed and spent so much trying to win they finally pulled out to cut their loses and their embarrassment. The fact is the Russians never made it 1/3 of the way into Afghanistan after 8 years of trying. This from WIKI.....

"More than eight years after they intervened in Afghanistan to support the procommunist government, Soviet troops begin their withdrawal. The event marked the beginning of the end to a long, bloody, and fruitless Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.

In December 1979, Soviet troops first entered Afghanistan in an attempt to bolster the communist, pro-Soviet government threatened by internal rebellion. In a short period of time, thousands of Russian troops and support materials poured into Afghanistan. Thus began a frustrating military conflict with Afghan Muslim rebels, who despised their own nation’s communist government and the Soviet troops supporting it. During the next eight years, the two sides battled for control in Afghanistan, with neither the Soviets nor the rebels ever able to gain a decisive victory.

For the Soviet Union, the intervention proved extraordinarily costly in a number of ways. While the Soviets never released official casualty figures for the war in Afghanistan, U.S. intelligence sources estimated that as many as 15,000 Russian troops died in Afghanistan, and the economic cost to the already struggling Soviet economy ran into billions of dollars."
@YourRussian ????????????
SteelHands · 61-69, M
@anythingoes477 Poppies grow there.
The two situations are not the same.

1. Russia has not been communist for a long time. It's run by a capitalist dictator. SO this is not a war about Communism versus Capitalism.

2. North Vietnam had China's direct backing and material support. Russia has only China's tacit permission, with strings attached.

3. South Vietnam never invited the USA to come to its rescue.

4. The Ukrainians have asked for help with equipment, training, and assistance to those made homeless, but they have no asked other nations to send their soldiers to fight.

5. Ukraine has a home ground advantage. The people are highly motivated to resist to save their own homeland. The Russian soldiers are mostly conscripted, mercenary, or very young, and all have been lied to about what to expect. They get a terrible shock when they get there and discover the reality.

6. Ukraine has one enormous geographic advantage. In spring it's vast farmlands turn into a muddy quagmire about one metre deep. No enemy has yet been able to win against that.
YourRussian · 36-40, M
@hartfire Ukraine, except for the western regions, is Russian lands, Russians live there! Wars are being waged, either for their territories or for disputed ones!
@YourRussian It's true that some Russians live there. Russians, as in those who speak Russian, worship in the Russian Orthodox Church and identify themselves as such, comprise about 15% of the population in the East and South-East. Scattered across the rest of Ukriane, less than 2% consider themselves Russians.

Most of those Russians enjoy living in the Ukraine because it is a democratic country. Even if they were of Russian migrant origin, they now consider themselves as citizens of the Ukraine. Many have joined the Ukrainian army and fight just as hard as the Ukrainian speakers.
Throughout the last 14-20 years, a tiny minority of Russian-Ukrainians have been agitating for re-unification, and intelligence has found that this agitation has been paid for by the Russian govt.

If Ukraine wishes to remain independent, then it has the right to do so.
They are extremely clear that they do not wish to live under Russian rule.
They want it so much that they are willing to sacrifice their lives for it.

Why do you ignore my questions?
YourRussian · 36-40, M
@hartfire What are you talking about? I know better what the Ukrainians want. Because I myself lived in Ukraine, my father is Greek, and my mother is Russian. Ukraine is the same if your state, such as California! Ukraine illegally withdrew from the USSR!
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
You're right. We should all just sit back and watch as Russia steamrolls over the rights of innocent ukrainians and destroys their country. That would be so much better.
YourRussian · 36-40, M
@LordShadowfire and they gave you in the mouth in Afghanistan, so sit and be silent😂
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@YourRussian Wow. So mature. I think I'm going to tell your mom what you're doing on the internet in your spare time.
HollyW ·
Ukraine has begun to receive the 300 Leopard 2 tanks it requested. Russia will lose all of its stolen gains in the spring and then succumb to widespread revolt.
YourRussian · 36-40, M
@HollyW these tanks, this is a corruption scheme for Zelensky.
HollyW ·
@YourRussian Russia is a foolish and wicked tyranny. It must die before it can be reborn.
YourRussian · 36-40, M
@HollyW we have the same opinion about America. The last 3 presidents of the United States, except Trump, killed 15 million people. Invading foreign countries.
justanothername · 51-55, M
Putin Troll posting pro Russian Propaganda
@justanothername peace is wrong? America won't take anything but war. Everyone obey the brute.
justanothername · 51-55, M
@Roundandroundwego Support NATO. You can’t have peace with Putin.
@justanothername NATO is criminal. But too dangerous to oppose.
Northwest · M
This is so disappointing. We used to get better quality Russian trolls. I guess SW no longer rates. :-(
America dictates what everyone is doing.
America is dictating war endless forever gleefully war.
SteelHands · 61-69, M
Oh boy teachers here there and anywhere.

TeirdalinFirefall · 26-30, M
@SteelHands It's really one of the more popular careers since so many are needed, and they can work pretty much anywhere they live as everywhere needs schools.
SteelHands · 61-69, M
@TeirdalinFirefall Yes I know and not at their leasetest the bestest mostest mind shapr's of dah footure ya. Envoys of freedom even.
SteelHands · 61-69, M
Go lions. Lol

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